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Lack of curiosity at Scratch Wiki?

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I was a little bit astonished seeing no reaction to

and

Both GP (Programming Language) (de:GP (Programmiersprache)) and BeetleBlocks (de:Beetle Blocks] are great new scratch-based awaysome Programming Environments, created by the scratch-wide known inventors Eric Rosenbaum (MaKey MaKey) and John Maloney (main developer of Scratch for 10 years) & Jens MΓΆnig (creator of BYOB & Snap!). Both innovations were presented at de:Scratch2015AMS. Because we are not as fluid in the English language we wrote German articles at the DACH-Scratch-Wiki about it. Furthermore there are more very interesting articles in the DACH Scratch Wiki that have no corresponding article in the English Scratch Wiki and additional there are innovations like TurtleStich and Tickle that have no article in any Scratch Wiki. (see Conference Program (english!!!)) and Conference Videos (English!!!) of de:Scratch2015AMS.

I thought it would be enough to shortly mention that. I thought many curious English scratch-wiki-authors would have a look the German articles, see that there is much English information linked to it, like Videos and other Webpages, have a look at the picture and google-translate the German text to get an impression and then start to create English articles about it here.

I also think that the innovations presented at the Scratch-Conferences and the Conferences them self are much underrepresented here at the English Scratch Wiki. I saw threads at this CP about "I wish I was at the wiki some years before when there where much more new articles left to be created" or threads about creating more icons for talk pages of the Wiki or other wiki-community-related things...I wonder how that fits to that utterly lack of curiosity about awesome innovations happening in the "World of Scratch" (excuse me for that provocative style...I hope that helps to get more reaction, so it's meant really positive  ;-)

...Perhaps now I gave enough information to wake up the curiosity of some people? I am really looking forward what will happen :)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 12:30, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

I will work on an article about beetle blocks now. :)
JayceeMinecraftlogo.png JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions
Great start for article BeetleBlocks! :-) I added the Interwiki-Link. You could get pictures from the German article.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 01:48, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
What's about The Scratch Song, GP (Programming Language), TurtleStich, Tickle and other innovations mentioned at de:Scratch2015AMS? Who want's to write English articles about it? Also BeetleBlocks seems to be not fished...
see:.

Not Done!!

No Not done because there are still many articles to write suggested above
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 16:51, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Hey there! I'll start working on TurtleStitch and once I'm done with that, I'll probably do another one. Thanks! Here is the TurtleStich one: http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/TurtleStich#About_TurtleStich
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 13:31, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Great, Thanks!
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 21:14, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I got started on Tickle. It's quite short as I found it difficult to find information. If anyone could help, that would be great!

Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 11:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
@Hamish752: Thanks for making a start with Tickle :-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 17:53, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

List of potential articles and sources

(Please feel free to at potential articles and sources, but discuss in the above section, to keep that here a "working list"
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 17:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC))

WikiEditor Extension

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Can you install it? It is on the test wiki. It is a good tool. It enhances the editing toolbar. It comes with mediawiki. Just put require_once "$IP/extensions/WikiEditor/WikiEditor.php"; --
JayceeMinecraft (talk | contribs) 17:26, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Anybody agree? --
JayceeMinecraft (talk | contribs) 18:48, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
What does the extension do?
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits πŸ“– πŸ“• πŸ”– 00:31, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
It enhances the editing toolbar a LOT. --
JayceeMinecraft (talk | contribs) 09:49, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
I agree because comes with Mediawiki an only must be activated to have some help with formating wiki-syntax in the editor. You could activate it to see the difference and deactivate later it if you don't like it.
@JayceeMinecraft: Just post a screenshot, also a link helps more to explain https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiEditor. I still not understod completely why it's already in the Mediawiki-Distribution when it is a PlugIn

MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 12:48, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
So will an admin install it please? --
JayceeMinecraft (talk | contribs) 16:08, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

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jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:48, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

@jvvg I tried scmb1. No response. Jvvg, since you are well known could you try asking somebody please? --
JayceeMinecraft (talk | contribs) 17:08, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
scmb1 is very busy - i emailed her and she still hasn't gotten back to me. this is about the 2nd week
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:22, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, if you look at her profile, you'll see that I voiced my support to your comment. However, she is a college student (or at least was last year, I don't know what year she is), and is very busy and may take a while to get back to us. For now, we just have to wait.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
You've waited for almost two years, is this done or not?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
06:49, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Not Done!!

No Not done because until now there is nobody who has the knowledge and takes the responsibility for that Blocks Plugin Tasks at the Scratch Wikis. The only persons I know who, could have the knowledge are user:blob8108 and user:JSO but as I understand it, they would not like to take the responsibility, so we must find somebody else who will build up the knowledge (must know something about Javascript and Wiki-Administration). Who?
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 16:58, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

I found out how to edit the Blocks Plugin so it works for a specific language. It's in fact very easy. I tested it with the dutch wiki and it worked. Which wikis still need the Blocks Plugin? Japanese, Hungarian and Russian? - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 17:18, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Dmith our russian Wiki Admin suggested to make a topic about this in the Advanced Topics to ask for help. What do you think? Who would like to create such a topic? - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 14:27, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
I think that's a good idea, specially to find help from outside the wiki, perhaps by the scratch team or advanced programmer who want to join and help us. Who is able to invest some time to modarare this? I think the best candidate would be one sysop/admin of the international Wikis (see de:WikiWatch) because of the direct access to the plugin. Who of you is interested?
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 10:41, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
I've also talked about it with P110 and he'll check it ou. So maybe let's wait till SC on monday :) - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 13:24, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Mobile Device Skin & Responsive Design for Scratch-Wikis ?

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At the DACH-Scratch-Wiki we are interested in a Mobile Device Skin & Responsive Design for Scratch-Wikis, but until now we did not find somebody who could integrate it. If you have a look at Scratch-Wikis on a mobile device, you'll see that's really difficult to read it and nearly impossible to edit. Also Search-Engines rank down Websites that don't use Responsible Design. It should not be to difficult to integrate Responsive Design, because you could take the Wikipedia Skin as a template Here is a Manual that could help:

Who of you is interested and who is able to manage it?
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 08:37, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

I would love to help out, but that kind of stuff isn't my area sadly :(.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 10:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
I am interested in helping out. I have experience coding (Html, CSS, Java, Python, some JS), and depending on my schedule, I think I can help out. I should be able to tell for sure if I can help or not by or on Saturday.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 12:52, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
@ErnieParke: Great! It also would be good, to have an Admin of the English Scratch-Wiki helping with this...
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 09:08, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
This should be a collaborative effort :) I want to help out but I already scheduled a lot of other things, so I can't do it all myself. @ErnieParke: If you are going to work on it, can you put the code on GitHub so that I can maybe I can do tweaks to it and make a pull request? And I am sure there are also other interested Scratchers! @MartinWollenweber: Great idea!
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 12:03, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
sure, I'll put any work on github.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 10:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Update: I don't think I have enough time or the expertise to make a mobile design. Sorry. Maybe jvvg could help here?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:42, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Not Done!

No Not done but I hope somone of the SW-admins is able to help. I think this will get important, as the Scratch-Team is also working an a mobile-device-version of Scratch (preview was shown at de:Scratch2015AMS including iOS-device :-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 21:19, 13 September 2015 (UTC) +
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 17:00, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

We need your help: Apply for getting "International Scratch Wiki Coach"

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Click this picture to jump to "ScratchWiki:Watch"

To hold this long thread readable I build sub-Threads. I also moved individual conversions and answered it there (hope you don't mind). Please write new appliances to get " "International Scratch Wiki Coach"" there. Please answer each Sub-Thread at it's end:

Introduction

After presenting at de:Scratch2015AMS (see [1]) (and before at de:Scratch2013BCN see[2]) we have some just starting International Scratch Wikis. We found out, that there is much more work, than me de:user:Mtwoll, de:user:LiFaytheGoblin and de:user:akhof can handle.

We just started international Scratch-Wikis where we were sure, that there are Scratchers of that language that would really work hard for their Scratch-Wiki, but it seems that those people all need help, coaching and motivation, to cope with the problems of a just started Wiki: It seems that only id: is completely on the right track until now (Thanks to id:user:Rumanti, who made a great start and motivated some other Indonesian Scartchers to help). ru: is also evolving slowly but there seem to be too less active authors with just ru:user:Dimon4ezzz and ru:user:Timkoiko. With ja: we have great hopes in ja:user:Jp86143 and ja:user:Abee who just started. But hu: and nl: are still in a kind of "starting position".

In opposite to the English and German Scratch-wiki the starting Scratch-Wiki-Authors have no templates and existing articles where they can look up what is needed and mostly less experiance in Wikimedia-Syntax. Also some of them have problems with the English language: Naturally they know it, but everything lasts longer with misunderstandings and so on. (My English isn't perfect either, but where is a will there is a way ;-) Ironically the language-communities that have the biggest problems with English language need a Scratch-Wiki the most. Imagine the English Scratch-Wiki had nearly zero articles and templates and you could only see other wikis in languages that you know only a little bit. Also imagine that your Scratch community was not so big than the english-language one (see Wikipedia: World_language#Living world languages).

How would you start? Therefore I'm asking you for your help: Who of you wants to get β€žInternational Scratch Wiki Coach "? You would get an account and perhaps also admin-rights at all existing international wikis (depending on your activity). You should be an experienced Scratch-Wiki author in the English Wiki (>1 year membership and >300 edits?). We already have some de:Scratch-Wiki:Team_Mitglieder#Interwiki Autoren but that's only Interwiki, not coaching. It would really be great, if some of the English Scratch-Wiki-Admins would also apply for this job: They would immediately get Admin rights at all other international Wikis and perhaps also FTP-rights, if they are experienced with that "under the hood"-stuff. To see what goes on, we have made de:Scratch-Wiki:Watch. There are also many other ideas from the International Scratch-Wiki-Community (e.g. automized-account-application everywere, multinational-accounts like in Wikipedia, international templates, Scratch-Projects inside the Scratch-Wiki like we have it in DACH, international Blocks Plugin support, #Mobile Device Skin & Responsive Design for Scratch-Wikis ?, conecting scratch-wikis as a part of the scratch-editor-help…)...

...but let's begin with the beginning :-) Who wants to help and applies for getting "International Scratch Wiki Coach"?
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 12:16, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

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Individual Threads with scratch-wiki-authors that want to help

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answer of TheHockeyist

answer of KrIsMa

answer of ErnieParke

answer of jvvg

answer of Mathfreak231

answer of Rumanti

Forum Thread: Scratch Wiki in Your Native Language

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@All: Am I right that all of you know this Forum Thread? Diskussionsforen Β» Translating Scratch Β» Scratch Wiki in Your Native Language (New)] . user:ErnieParke created it and sort of curates it (Thank you very much Ernie!). There are some other language communities that could be ready to start with their own native wiki in the future.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs)

Link-Table: Authors wih multiple Scratch-Wiki-Accounts

I put a Table here that shows de:Scratch-Wiki:Watch#Authors wih multiple Scratch-Wiki-Accounts. Please feel free to correct it if there are any mistakes.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 15:49, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

New Idea for the future of international Scratch-Wiki or even more

First Successes

It's great that so many experienced scratch-wiki-members will help us with international wiki and we had the first success within a few days:

If you want to have a impression of the international scratch community, have a look at this videos of the Scratch2015AMS-Conference. You will also find a (horrible ;-) video of user:LiFaytheGoblin and me there, where we try to introduce our international scratch wiki idea. You will also find many other People at the multiple short videos, that you perhaps could know, like Joren Lauwers user:JSO, Tim, Connor & Michael, Jens MΓΆnig & John Malloney that gave a first look at their logical successor of BYOB & Snap! called GP, Ricarose & Eric from the Scratch-Video-Update, Eric Rosenbaum, Mitch Resnick and so on... best is the whole international scratch community singing the Scratch song :-) de:Scratch2015AMS was real great!


MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 22:17, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Seriously this is even better than everything is expected! I noticed we have the authentication system now (THANKS A TON, jvvg) but wow so much happening in the other wikis as well! This is great!!! Thanks everyone, I can't wait to see what the next weeks will bring :D - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 10:22, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Test-Scratch-Wiki is online!

Like explained in "#New Idea for the future of international Scratch-Wiki or even more" we started http://TEST.scratch-wiki.info/ that will have much lower restriction for new wiki-authors and that will be a kind of "really big sandbox", where everybody who wants can start a scratch-wiki of his own language to prove if he is able. We will help and coach to make a start, but only if we see success there (>50 articles + homepage), we will start a real wiki for this language. There is still much work to do, because until now this wiki is completely empty. We should write/copy help-text and templates there. user:jvvg, de:LiFaytheGoblin and de:mtwoll are admins there and I hope that user:jvvg will manage to create an automatic account creation system that fits to the targets of this test-scratch-wiki.

@user:jvvg: Please write here when it works and how to use it, so that everybody who wants to help can join.

We need your ideas an help to make this happen! Find most important international links at de:Scratch-Wiki:Watch. Please comment here, what you will do to help. Thank you in advance!
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 15:28, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Good to know! What do you recommend we do with this forum topic ?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:56, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
The test-wiki is not ready for start now, but after it is ready, we should inform all participants of this this forum topic how they immediately can get authors in the test-wiki and how they can make a start for the first 50 pages and the community of a scratch-wiki in their own language there. I suggest you prepare the invitation and explanation text in a sandbox (you could take the text above and shorten it as a start), so that we all can take part in creating this text. We should not inform the participants of that thread to early, because we still need some time for preparation. I think it will decrease success if we start inviting new authors without having everything ready.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 01:39, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Not Done!


MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 11:54, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

I already joined. :P
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 15:28, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, that's great! Hope many other will join us. I already wrote at your user-DISC, see: http://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User_talk:AghaCool :-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 15:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Yep! I told fmtfmtfmt2 to join and his account was accepted.:)
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 15:39, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Why is Interwiki not possible in the english community-portal?

No Not done Why is Interwiki not possible in the english community-portal? In de:Scratch-Wiki:Gemeinschafts-Portal it is no problem (but in and id:Pembicaraan_Scratch-Indo-Wiki:Portal_Komunitas it seems to be, just tried it...).
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 14:00, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Hmm.. Does the CP needs interwiki(s)? Because I didn't see any interwiki in this CP.
Really_A (talk | contribs) 23:34, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Interwiki at cp only means that the cp's of all Scratch-Wikis would have a language-link box, so you could switch between them fast and find them without knowing the language (like Interwiki in any article). Surely it only helps you if you have a lttle knowledge of the other language, or if they use english for some threads (what we often do in DACH because we have some non-german-speaking authors that help us). If you put [[:de|Scratch-Wiki:Gemeinschafts-Portal]] in the cp here (that should create the Interwiki-Link to Scratch-Wiki:Gemeinschafts-Portal) it has not that effect like in an article, because cp is somehow special configurated.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 11:44, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Oh I see. Anyway, I have a question; should I add an interwikis to the Indo wiki?
Really_A (talk | contribs) 14:44, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
id: already has Interwiki, as you can see in multiple articles that have a language-link in the language-Box to other Scratch-Wikis (like the Homepage). See Scratch_Wiki:Interwiki for explanation of Interwiki. But you can look for possibly missing Interwiki-Links.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 16:46, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Well, I see. But the indo's CP still doesn't has any interwiki.
Really_A (talk | contribs) 09:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Interwiki seems only to be possible at certain group of pages. Surely I could setup it somewhere in the config of the international scratch-wikis (because I'm admin+bureaucrat+sysop ), but I don't know where to do it. At de: there seems to be a configuration difference (possibly an error :-) that allows you to interwiki-connect de:Scratch-Wiki:Gemeinschafts-Portal. Does somebody know how to set up wiki-config, so interwiki-connection works for every cp? As I'm no admin+bureaucrat+sysop of this English wiki, I couldn't do it here, even if I knew how ;-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 11:44, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

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KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:29, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Not Done!

This Thread is No Not done! Because I think we should find a way to Interwiki-connect the community portals of all international Scratch-Wikis here:*


MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 12:00, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

I am currently looking into this problem. It seems to be stemming from the fact that our CP is a talk page, but the DACH/Indo CP are not.
This problem is even present on the DACH wiki. See my talk page: [:de:Benutzer_Diskussion:ErnieParke]
Do you mind if I do a quick interwiki test on the Test wiki?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:26, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, do that test, that's a good idea!
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 15:56, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
The only other way is to change the cp into mainspace, which is not feasible.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:38, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
I tried looking up some information but it is proving to be hard to understand. For now, I will try translating a DACH article (if there are any not translated yet).
ErnieParke (talk | contribs)
Thank you very much for trying, I also try to learn more about mediawiki-namespaces and their different effects, perhaps we find a solution in the future. Until than this thread will stay have the state No Not done
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 07:48, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Scratch Team Involvement in the Wiki

No Not done - since just edited

I have found two articles that are protected and only the Scratch Team can edit that are in much need of updating, clean up, or keeping up to wiki standards.

For example, Scratch Helper Groups is very short, and I would consider it a stub. Also, I believe "Future additions include groups that will support giving project feedback and moderating the Scratch forums." is no longer accurate.

Scratch Press is another good example. There are typos, missing categories, and missing templates on this page. "Lifehacker (February 2015) Top 10 Ways to Teacher Yourself to Code" should be "Lifehacker (February 2015) Top 10 Ways to Teach Yourself to Code". The page should have an External Programs and a Scratch Team Page template. It should also be categorized under Category:Scratch Culture.

How do we get the Scratch Team more involved in what happens on the wiki? What do we do to fix articles like these that aren't editable by us? Are there any active Scratch Team members that have wiki accounts or are interested in the wiki? Can these problems be fixed by an admin or EW?
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits πŸ“– πŸ“• πŸ”– 22:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

The Wiki is fairly autonomous and the Scratch Team really doesn't do much with it. Consequently, most of them don't really know how it works that well and aren't familiar with the writing standards we use. It would be nice to have the Scratch Team involved, as having technical issues resolved can take up to a week, even though the issue itself may be fairly simple. The possible upshot is that I may be going to MIT this fall (if I get in, fingers crossed), and if I do, they will likely let me administer the Wiki as a Scratch Team member. However, in the meantime, I actually can't edit the pages. They are only editable by Scratch Team members.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:01, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
user:LiFaytheGoblin could surely help: She is DACH-Scratch-Wiki-Author and Admin and currently became a new Scratch-Team-Member. Also Christan (user ceebee) a member of the Scratch-Team visited our weekley online hangout de:Scratch Club curently. The Scratch-Team seems to be interested to make more conections to the Scratch-Wikis again. An article with suggestions and wishes, how the Wikis could be even more connected with the Scratch-Mainpage and the Community could be a good idea.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 19:15, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I only have normal user rights here in the wiki as far as I see... However if I had the rights, I'd prefer if people rewrite the article on their talk page and I copy it over, so I don't have to worry about my english... - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 22:57, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
@Lifay: I suggest you ask the Scratch-Team to give you Bureaucrats-Rights:I think you would care for the wiki much more than anyone else of the Scratch-Team. I would also be happy if user:jvvg would get Scratch-Team-Member and Bureaucrat, because he is one of the most experienced Scratch-Wiki-Admins, but for the moment I think the fastest way getting a wiki-experienced-scratch-team-bureaucrat is Lifay applying for it. --
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 00:12, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I have the ST status in the Wiki now, so if you need anything, feel free to talk to me on my talk page... - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 18:48, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
@LiFaytheGoblin: Congratulation to your ST-Rights at the Scratch-Wiki that will profit much by that!
ST-Status means Admin, Bureaucrat and Editlockedpages-rights. Many ST-Members have that rights, but did not use it much, nor involved much in the Scratch-Wiki. But as LiFaytheGoblin has been very active at the international Scratch-Wikis many years before getting member of the ST, she will surely help the Scratch-Wiki much more and faster. As the admins user:ErnieParke, user:Jvvg and user:KrIsMa are in regularly exchange with her and us via the international Scratch-Wiki exchange (e.g. at http://test.scratch-wiki.info/ and de:Scratch-Wiki:Scratch_Club ) and that admins have technically knowledge and access to our international scratch-wiki-servers, hopefully even problems that need server-access will be solved faster, because we can try & test solutions at the international Scratch-wikis-servers and give that knowledge as an example to the ST via LiFaytheGoblin. First successes are user:ErnieParkes installations of a multi-language-version of the Blocks Plugin at the international Scratch-Wikis (see e.g: de:user:ErnieParke and ja:user:Frodewin and http://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User:ErnieParke )
So that are really good news!
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 13:00, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Scratch Extensions

I have compiled a list of Scratch Extensions I believe dont have an article, and some are up for debate. Any numbers at the time of this posting are from the extension download site (The Chrome Web Store), and not the extensions' site, at the time this was posted. I do not endorse or say that any of these are safe:

IsOnline v2 - https://scratchtools.tk/isonline/ and https://aremyfriends.online/ - Display on a users' profile whether they are currently active on Scratch. Download site can be accessed at ison.ga and isonline.tk - which redirect to https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/isonline/pabjccjpgemijhffgnaamebfbcnalghj. 923 Users.

Scratch Messaging Extension - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/scratch-messaging-extensi/fbeffbjdlemaoicjdapfpikkikjoneco - Tells a user how many messages they have. 2733 users.

Scratch Device Plugin Helper - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/scratch-device-plugin-hel/clmabinlolakdafkoajkfjjengcdmnpm Enables Hardware extensions on chrome. 45942 Users

FPC Notifier - Notifies users of the next FPC. Download from https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fpc-notifier/idlkmohahmhohogdmdkjfnibkakgkcii . 178 users.

List Followers/Following - Lists your followers/who you are following. Website: https://scratchtools.tk/followers/ and https://scratchtools.tk/following/ - Navigate from https://scratchtools.tk

Random Quote - BBCode - changes a quote every time your signature is reloaded. At https://scratchtools.tk/quote/ or nav from https://scratchtools.tk.

Image Scanner - Scans image into readable format - Website: https://scratchtools.tk/scan/ nav from https://scratchtools.tk.

Scratch User Stats - Scratch User Stats was created by the user World_Languages and is a webpage where users can view statistics for any user on Scratch. The official website is at https://scratchuserstats.blogspot.com/ .

Which ones should we have articles for?


Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 03:20, 11 June 2017 (UTC)00:05, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Isn't Scratch Device Plugin Helper part of an already-existent article?
But anyway, I don't believe that any of those extensions deserve an article. All of them (except SDPH) are user-generated content, which goes against the Wiki Guidelines. isOnline is currently only being considered because it caused an exceptional stir in the community of users, and so the exceptions in S:NOSP might apply.
On a different note, what happened? I don't think you've ever failed to sign your post like this. You alright?
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00:26, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Are you implying that him forgetting to sign his post means he is ill or something??
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 02:03, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying, but IsOnline is also "User Generated Content" - made by users of Scratch. So what makes that important and not the others?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 03:23, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Well I think "user-generated content" refers more to projects made by users. Extensions and such even though they may be made by users can be significant enough for an article. Personally after finally learning about IsOnline I wouldn't mine an article on it.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 03:33, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
I have not seen an article for Scratch Device Plugin Helper, and if it doesn't exist I think it may be worthy of an article due to it's high use in comparison to others. I also believe that there is already a discussion of IsOnline just a little bit up. For the others, I just think that they don't have a large enough impact to really warrant their own article page.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 13:54, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜I know about the discussion above, it is getting a little bit harder to find. So I guess the 3 of us can agree on IO and SDPH?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 14:40, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

@customhacker: Make that 4. @Turkey3: I was saying they normally don't fail to sign their posts like that. Anyway, I'm fine with IO and SDPH but leave the rest without articles.
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14:49, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Im going to release a poll in the Suggestions Forum if that is ok?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 15:10, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Should I do the whole list, or just the actual extensions?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 15:20, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
I just added 2 more to the list.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 15:33, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
This is the Forum post: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/265779/?page=1#post-2671761
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 16:00, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜A Message from EH7meow:

I would love to have got involved in this discussion on the wiki's CP, but I'm currently in the process of getting my password back. You have my permission to post this under my name at the CP if you want to.

Firstly, I do support the addition of the Scratch Device Plugin Helper, as it was made by the Scratch Team and is thus official. The wiki already has a lot of articles that are only partially related to Scratch, such as Scratch Jr.

Regarding the others, I think it is important to look at what the expectations are of other user-made content before we decide. Certainly, users and projects aren't allowed (with certain exceptions such as Kaj). Collaborations were formerly allowed, but we decided they weren't notable enough, and only left certain special examples in the end.

Mods are allowed though and considering extensions and mods can both be viewed as β€˜add-ons’ they should, I believe, be treated equally. The current criteria for modifications is that they should be β€˜extremely notable’. Unfortunately though, this seems rather hard to define. Perhaps we should investigate the amount of downloads that some of the Scratch modifications on the Wiki received, and guide the definition of β€˜extremely notable’ by that figure. If any of these user-made extensions are worthy though, it definitely sounds as though Scratch Messaging Extension may be with its 2700 downloads, and IsOnlinev2 seems quite widely used too.

Another idea is a criteria like what was suggested here. Any notable add-on would surely have enough information to write a good article about it, and it seems fair that the license should be the same or similar to Scratch's.


EH7meow (talk | contribs)
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 16:42, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Okay. Based off of what people are saying in the topic so far, we may want to add Scratch User Stats to this list. I'm just not sure how much there is to say about it.
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 19:36, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Scratch User Stats is the bottom most thing.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 19:38, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
I meant the list of articles that people want, not possible ideas. :P
Duckboycool (talk | contribs) 19:43, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Im waiting for the vote to come in.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 20:50, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
No More discussion is needed

Should "Griffpatch" become a wiki article?

No Not done

Now, I know that you're not supposed to create articles about users and all, but arguably, griffpatch is now a part of Scratch culture. The same goes for "Kaj"; they have an article, and they were a user once. However, since they became part of Scratch culture, they were allowed to have a topic made for them. So, we at the Discord chat have all been thinking about what to do. What are your thoughts on the matter? Of course, we would probably have to contact griffpatch about it to see if they're OK with it first.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 04:01, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

I've put the logs of the Discord conversation here for anyone that can't access it. I will say that I don't really mind that much whether we choose to make a Griffpatch article or delete the Kaj one, but I definitely do think that we should be consistent. I would argue that Griffpatch would actually make for a better article than Kaj, as it doesn't have that teasing element to it. It's also undeniable that Griffpatch is a huge part of Scratch culture nowadays, while Kaj is honestly dieing out a bit.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 04:11, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
So far, it seems like the reasoning for a griffpatch article is that he's massively popular, that he has the most popular Scratch project, he has a massive whitelist for chat projects, etc...
This is not what the wiki is for. It's not a popularity contest.
However, on that note, an article is allowable on other grounds. For example, the griffpatch problem. The ST acknowledged that many new Scratchers have trouble because they aim too high.
If there was more content in this direction, a griffpatch article would be acceptable.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:25, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I personally would support a Griffpatch article.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 04:38, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm pretty much neutral about this. Even though Griffpatch is one of the most well-known Scratch users, I think he's a bit overrated. Also, Kaj's account was deleted, but Griffpatch's still exists, so we may need his permission.
Nickeljorn (talk | contribs) 19:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I have a sudden concern with this: What happens if Griffpatch suddenly decides to come on the Wiki? If he's accepted, he'll have a userpage and a mainspace page about him. Otherwise, I'm neutral.
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01:58, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
So what...?
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 02:04, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
I personally would be in favour of a griffpatch article because I feel that he is as notable if not more notable than Kaj. I would also be in favour of not adding a griffpatch article and removing the Kaj article as well. (For the reasons stated above by Hamish)
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 14:50, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜For as long as I have been on the wiki, the criteria for articles about the community, users, projects, studios and collaborations has been "Was the product "sponsored" by the Scratch Team? This definition is tangable in a sense concerning all the above mentioned topics. "Kaj" became "sponsored" when the Scratch Team used him to describe an important point to the community. My impression is that this wiki is not about what really occurs in the community but more about what the Scratch Team does and the projects which they decide to back. Studios and collaborations are "sponsored" when they are set up by the Scratch Team and/or run by them. Forums have articles because they were set up by the Scratch Team, and so forth. My worry is that if we change this definition to what we define as "Scratch culture" I believe we lose the philosophy which has been held here. How we define "Scratch culture" is much less clear than the previous definition which I layed out. :) Now this does open up many new topics which may deserve articles because an argument can be made that they were "sponsored". The "griffpatch effect" as mentioned by ErnieParke may be an active problem that the Scratch Team is concerned with, and therefore deserves an article. Does "Griffpatch" deserve an article? No, b/c then we would need to write articles for many, many more community entities that deserve such. "WazzoTV" or "HobsonTV", with over 10,000 followers each may need articles as well. It would change our focus from being wiki editors to being wiki journalists, constantly updating and adding articles based on the newest cultural changes. Just my two cents on the matter ;)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 20:57, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes. He should. It could start with β€œGriffpatch is a very famous scratcher…”
Forested (talk | contribs) 09:23, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Did you read any of the previous replies...?
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10:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

A Question on articles for Extensions, specifically isOnline

No Not done

I have come to question an article for isOnline (iOv2) or any other user created extensions. First of all, would it break the rules listed in S:NOSP. There are exceptions, but does it fit? S:NOSP states:

β€œ

Almost all articles about users and user-generated content will be deleted. The wiki is not the place for advertisements or biographies; these pages may end up being targets for vandalism (e.g. "this user was mean!"). The exceptions to this rule are:

  • Topics that have been considered important/notable enough in Scratch's history by a majority of wiki editors that they deserve an article. (ex. Kaj, Removed Pac-Man Project, etc.)
  • Articles about important roles in the community designated by the Scratch Team (ex. Community Moderator, Curator, etc.)
  • Projects may be linked to as examples to get the point of an article across more effectively, such as on Pen Projects. They must, however, be relevant to the topic and work adequately well.
  • Trends that are notably popular; the trends must be practiced by many Scratchers. One example of this is the Toki trend started by Maki-Tak a few years ago.
    • Specific instances of this trend may also be used in the same way as example projects. For exam

ple, the Collaboration page has examples of several notable collaborations started on Scratch.

If a username is mentioned (e.g. the creator of a Scratch Modification) do not make a link to that user's Scratch profile or Wiki user page.

”

First, iOv2 is user generated content. Though it seems the Wiki community has made a decision on it, and has already made an article as I am typing this. But what is the Scratch community's' input on this?

Second, would we really have enough to put on that article? We can add updates, but what else.

Third, are we advertising this extension? We are part of a Wiki at an educational site of one of the most prestigious colleges in the world. Does the college, does the Scratch Team, approve and support this extension?

Fourth, "isOnlineV2" is the official spelling of the extension, not "IsOnlineV2."

On a final note, I would like us to reevaluate our decision to include this as an article one last time.

Thank you.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 16:45, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

First off, I think that we should have at least a list of browser extensions. Like the ExtensionScratch Device Plugin Helper, which was made by the ST. There's also Scratch Messaging Extension, made by griffpatch, #Bring It Back, lots of extensions. But I do support the idea of an isOnline wiki page, just to inform people about what it is and how it works.


Pylar (talk | contribs) 21:57, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Could we get some more Wiki community input. Wikians, Ews, Admins?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 14:50, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
I don't know about it, It is a very popular and useful extension. Thoughts Admins?
Vuton Logo.png -α―α‘ŒTOα‘Ž- (Tα—©α’ͺK | α‘•Oα‘ŽTα–‡Iα—·α”• | α‘­α—©GEα”•) 18:16, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
I thought there was an EW here :). Anyhow- it seems to me that we have made articles for very notable extensions and that isOnline was receiving an article for being the most-used community extension which exists. Although based on the thisandagain quote we may want to reevaluate it :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 19:17, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Devil's Advocate:
The page seems to be written like a how-to page rather than an informative page. I'm sure isonline provides the same information on their website.
Most of the extensions/mods we have have some sort of affiliation with Scratch OR they have been used by Scratch. The quote that Makethebrainhappy is referring to shows clearly that the Scratch Team is not endorsing or connected with the extension.
By Scratch_Wiki:Editing_Conventions#Capitalization, even though it is isOnline without the initial capital letter, the first word has to have an initial capital letter in this case.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:55, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
That is precisely what I am saying. This is from the OP by me.
β€œ Third, are we advertising this extension? We are part of a Wiki at an educational site of one of the most prestigious colleges in the world. Does the college, does the Scratch Team, approve and support this extension?

-sip-

On a final note, I would like us to reevaluate our decision to include this as an article one last time.

”

Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 21:36, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
People think the page should exist and I am expressing my opinions that go against the grain as new insight. That is called a devils advocate.
anyways yes this extension is popular but it seems just like a separate extension not really worthy of being a separate wiki page.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:06, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
SO should we keep it as a wiki page? My main point was bolded just above, which has not been answered.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 16:01, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
seeing the content on the page i think it should not exist. i feel like everything on the isonline page could be written on their website rather than the wiki
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:20, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Should we delete the article then?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 17:23, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
We should probably wait for some other admins/EWs/users before deleting the article. Perhaps it could get moved to a user's subpages.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:25, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I still support the article. Plus if IsOnline ever goes away the Wiki would be there to document its historical notability.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 17:26, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜I see your point, but the thing with me is that by having this article, I believe that we are showing the the ST and MIT support these extensions. If iO ever goes sour, than we will have to document that too, correct? So does the ST support the article and by extension, the extension itself, does the college do the same?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 17:42, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't see it as any different from articles like BYOB or Explore (Scratch Modification) or Dream (Scratch Modifcation). The only difference I see is that it's an extension instead of a modification, but both still play a role in enhancing Scratch's current features.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 17:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
We have a quote from thisandagain stating that the ST doesn't support isOnline. Also, we have a wiki page on something called Kurt which I didn't even know existed until I clicked the random page button. So if THAT gets a page, isOnline definitely should.
Pylar (talk | contribs) 18:08, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
There's also the issue of pages that exist on the Wiki that wouldn't be allowed of this day. Kurt, and the other mod pages would of gone through the same amount of discussion if the page were created on this day rather than in 2013, etc.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:16, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
But the question is: Are those mods completely supported by the ST? I am aware that iO is not.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 18:28, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Of course not, they'll never officially support anything that's not theirs because don't want to be liable if something goes wrong with a program beyond their control.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 21:25, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
So then should they be deleted? Or, Should we move these to a category of users' extensions with a sice red template saying that these are only to document popular extensions and are not supported by the ST?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 14:56, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Change favicon

No Favicon has not been changed yet

My brother suggested this, and I thought it would be nice, so here’s the idea:

Change the site favicon - the little icon that appears next to the tab title.

Currently, it is the 1.4 site logo. My suggested change is to the current Wiki globe icon, without the wordmark:

Wiki icon.png

Thoughts?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
06:24, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

support.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 06:34, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Nice
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 12:49, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
+1! This would make much more sense :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 14:37, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
I support this.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 16:00, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
That would look better! +1
Vuton Logo.png -α―α‘ŒTOα‘Ž- (Tα—©α’ͺK | α‘•Oα‘ŽTα–‡Iα—·α”• | α‘­α—©GEα”•) 16:03, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
support
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:34, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜I like the idea, but I think it should stay as it is the same as the normal Scratch Webpage.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 22:15, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea! I didn't really notice this for a while. It would easily help me distinguish between which tabs I have open that are Scratch and the wiki. :P
WolfCat67 Zorua Profile Picture.png ᙑᗝα’ͺFα™…α—©T67 ( Talk | Contributions | Subpages ) 22:54, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
I agree with using File:Wiki icon.png--
Apple502j (talk | contribs) 03:25, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
@Customhacker -- do you mean the site favicon for scratch.mit.edu (the normal one)?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:21, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 15:40, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Maybe it should be that, but I kinda still think it should be Wiki icon.png.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:51, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm torn between supporting using Wiki icon.png or Scratch icon.png (the site favicon for the main Scratch site), as there are good things about each (I could only think of a few):
Scratch icon.png:
  • This would make it the same across all of Scratch.
  • It's part of the actual Scratch Logo.
Wiki icon.png:
  • It seems more "wiki-ish" than the other one.
  • It looks pretty cool (in my opinion).
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:26, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
The Scratch Cat is a trademark of Scratch - just as the S is. I think the wiki is separate enough from Scratch to have its own favicon. I say the wiki globe is better.
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12:45, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜ I think the Wiki Globe is better. The Wiki is separate from the main Scratch website enough that the favicons can be different.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:39, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Like Kenny2scratch said, the wiki globe still has the Scratch Cat on it, so people would probably still know it was about Scratch.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 14:43, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
@Bigpuppy Or, you know, the name of the wiki and the subject might make people realize it's about Scratch. :P
WolfCat67 Zorua Profile Picture.png ᙑᗝα’ͺFα™…α—©T67 ( Talk | Contributions | Subpages ) 17:59, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, bad wording. I meant it should still be related to Scratch (like it shouldn't just be the Wikipedia logo). And the wiki globe maintains that while still being the wiki globe.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:14, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
So we agree that the wiki globe is the icon we want? I'll ping scmb1 about this then.
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07:55, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Nice! :P
Vuton Logo.png -α―α‘ŒTOα‘Ž- (Tα—©α’ͺK | α‘•Oα‘ŽTα–‡Iα—·α”• | α‘­α—©GEα”•) 08:05, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Great, can't wait :D
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:53, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Embedding of Scratch Projects

No Not done

Hey! :) I was thinking it'd be cool if we could embed Scratch projects into the wiki. They could be used in place of the existing example projects in the Pen Projects article, used on certain tutorial pages to demonstrate an expected result or even show a process more easily using an animation.

At the moment, you can't use the <iframe> tag required for embedding a Scratch project on the wiki. I've done a little research, and it looks like the easiest way to allow iframes would be to install this Media Wiki plugin. The good thing about this extension is that it doesn't allow the embedding of any iframe, it can be configured to only allow the embedding of Scratch projects, for example.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 22:02, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

My concern is that having projects load on a WIki page could be slow and take up a lot of RAM and make things slower overall.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 22:09, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I definitely take your point. As long as we only embed one low-asset project per page though, it's impact on loading times would be more limited.
One article I thought could benefit is Pen Art Examples. For example, this project could be used to let readers see how it is rendered, in addition to the existing pictures. Readers could also then click the link and see inside to learn more.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 17:18, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
We could just make a gif of the pen being rendered.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 17:21, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
I have a(n) (possibly better) idea. If we could enable video files to be uploaded, then we could make screen recordings of example projects and have those recordings directly in articles. Thoughts?
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07:07, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
If I'm correct, mp4's were suggested before and accepted, but support was not added to the wiki.
This time around, when I re-suggest mp4's, how about we compile a list of what pages would benefit from it? Having examples is good motivation.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 14:18, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Sure! I think over 3/4 of all How To pages and tutorials would benefit from this :P
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:30, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Support! It would be like the YouTube videos on the Minecraft Gamepedia Wiki!
Forested (talk | contribs) 19:38, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
This wouldn't take up almost any ram at all if we just use iframes to the main scratch website. :/
TheUltimatum (talk | contribs) 19:12, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All

No Not done

One of the complexities of documenting Scratch is it changes so much. When Scratch transitioned from 1.4 to 2.0 there was an unbelievable amount of work on the Wiki that required tons of articles to be updated. This reached the solution of keeping articles relating to Scratch 1.4 but denoting them by putting "(1.4)" in the title of the article. For example, the older version of Paint Editor is Paint Editor (1.4). Another example is Project Compression (1.4) which is the old version of Project Compression.

I think we need to set in place some standards. In the future, we are going to have to do this for Scratch 3.0, so it's better if it can be done consistently. Firs thing to discuss is:

Past or Present Tense - I have noticed it is not always consistent. For example, Scratch Forums (1.4) discusses the forums in past tense. Paint Editor (1.4) uses the present tense, though that may make more sense since you can still use Scratch 1.4 while the Scratch forums are nonexistent. However, an article like Project Downloading (1.4) talks in the present tense even though project downloading on the Scratch 1.4 site is not possible since that old version of the site does not exist.

So I wonder, for an article that documents a feature in an old version of Scratch that is still accessible like the 1.4 Paint Editor, should it be: past or present tense?

For an article that documents a feature in an old version of Scratch that is impossible to access and there solely for history, should it be: past or present tense?

In the latter case of an article that documents an unavailable feature just for history, if present tense is used it sort of gives off the feel that that is how the article would be read if you were to be reading it in 2010 or whenever. This may make sense if we want our articles to sort of be like a frozen time capsule of the past. But if past tense is used, that could also make more sense because it's not 2010 but 2017.

Block Pages - This brings up another issue, and it has to do with block pages. An example of this is Distance to () (block). Please note that there is no Distance to () (block) (1.4) page on the Wiki, and that is so because this block is available in both Scratch 1.4 and 2.0, so we believed it was not necessary to document the same block in a prior version of Scratch. I'm starting to think, though, it might be a good idea.

Take a look at the script on that page. It uses the if <> then block as well as the stop [all v] block. Both these blocks are sort of in Scratch 1.4, but "if ()" then was just "if ()" and "stop [all v]" was just "stop all". So if somebody is using Scratch 1.4 and looks up the documentation of this block on the Wiki, the scripts in the article may use blocks not available in 1.4. There are probably more examples of block pages on the Wiki that use blocks not in Scratch 1.4, probably more dire examples than mine above.

It's just something to think about. How do we want to make our Wiki consistent throughout history to avoid any possible confusion? Do block articles deserve a (1.4) version or not? Eventually we are going to have (2.0) articles. It's best to decide stuff like this at the present moment.

If Block - I just noticed there happens to be no article on it. Technically "if () then" is only in 2.0, so shouldn't "if () (block) (1.4)" be an article?

Titles of Articles on items not in 2.0 - Examples of what I am talking about are the articles Stop All (block) as well as Java Player. The titles of these articles do not have (1.4) in the title because, well, they are not available in Scratch 2.0! So, I'm going to ask you guys, do you think by not having (1.4) in the title, it can be misleading, making people think it's a feature still available?

It does say at the top, "This article or section documents a feature not included in the current version of Scratch (2.0). It is only useful from a historical perspective" so I do not believe anybody reading the article is going to be confused and think the Java Player still exists. But do you think it should or should not have "(1.4)" in the title, or should "(1.4)" only be in the title of articles on features that have been replaced in Scratch 2.0?
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 22:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Turkey3 at it again with the great writing! I intend to move some things (leaving redirects, ofc) once I have time.
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23:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Firstly, I think that this is a very important topic. It's important to get this right, or, like you say, things could get more messy and complicated.
So, here are my views:
I agree that past tense should be used when something is no longer accessible, it's odd to say 'you can' if you can't anymore. Similarly, I support using present tense on still accessible but outdated features because you still 'can'.
I don't think we should make 1.4 versions of articles for blocks that are unchanged on both versions. Examples are only examples, so I don't believe it's worth duplicating a page for them. That being said, it should be good practice to make examples as 1.4/2.0-friendly as possible.
I also agree with making a 'if () (block) (1.4)' article as the change between versions could be a cause for confusion, and this article could help clear up that confusion.
I believe that the version number used on an article on an outdated feature should be the last version it was available in, making it clear that it is no longer used.
Furthermore, a feature on the current version should have no version number in my opinion, as this causes lots of moving when Scratch updates and also makes it appear to be historic, as the version number looks like it's denoting a secondary, or outdated version of something.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 18:52, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
So with that said do you believe the title should be "Java Player" or "Java Player (1.4)"?
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 19:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I support Java Player (1.4) and Stop All (block) (1.4) and at this moment I also support Flash Player and Stop () (block). However, when Scratch 3.0 comes, I believe that Flash Player should become Flash Player (2.0) and there should be a new article titled HTML5 Player.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 19:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I changed the article about [[https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Project_Downloading_(1.4)%7CProject Downloading (1.4) to past tense as you can no longer do it.

Blessing06 (talk | contribs) 15:40, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

custom signatures

No Not done

Recently I've noticed many custom signatures break one specific rule:
The signature may not contain any background colors, images, or borders
Specifically, background colors and borders cannot be added to custom signatures. It is important to read that page fully before creating a custom signature. Please change it to satisfy that rule. Thank you!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:56, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

another suggestion: we could also propose to scrap that rule so if you're up for it you may start a discussion.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:59, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
That is what I had said in my post here.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 17:03, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
clearly it got archived quicker than it should of! we'll label this not done so that doesn't happen.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:09, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Some signatures I've seen with background colors or borders don't seem to be causing any problems in my opinion, but that's just my opinion. :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:21, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
There was an issue that came up on the CP when someone used borders and backgrounds and some issues arose. I'm not sure what archive it's under but that was the reason the rule was added.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:27, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Ah. Then maybe it might be best to keep it as a rule.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:28, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜I found the section with the new rules here. Not sure if that was it. Was it it?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 18:17, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

yep, it's that one.
I still support a background-border free signature. keeps signatures super clear and also limits the amount of custom signatures on the wiki (keep in mind custom signatures are not recommended)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:42, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Is the font on mine clear enough? Just wondering...
Vuton Logo.png -α―α‘ŒTOα‘Ž- (Tα—©α’ͺK | α‘•Oα‘ŽTα–‡Iα—·α”• | α‘­α—©GEα”•) 18:47, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
@KrIsMa: I would support enforcing the rule of no borders no backgrouds (nbnb).

@Vuton: Yours is fine. If anything, I would have to change mine.

Content from older discussion (linked above):
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If someone could fix the extra div tag, that would be great.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg CΟ…Ζ¨Ρ‚ΟƒΠΌΠ½Ξ±cκΡя ( Ρ‚Ξ±ΚŸΞΊ | cσптяıв ) 21:12, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
You didn't even use {{collapse bottom}}... However, the extra div is something I've tried to fix and failed - no fix for that.

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜ In my opinion, that previous discussion is all we need - as long as the borders and backgrounds aren't all around the sig I think it's fine. I really don't see the harm in having sigs with borders around "talk" and "contribs".

Background colors may be a bit more problematic - I wouldn't be upset if a sig I made had its background color removed. So I'm fine with that.

also "Kenny2Scratche" is the worst spelling of my name I've seen in a long time...
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05:29, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

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