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MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 17:44, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Some Article Ideas for Everybody

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These are some articles I'm thinking could be created. If anybody wants to give these a shot at making them, feel free! Also, it can be smart to write articles in your sandbox if it's incomplete and then create the article after you finish it in your sandbox. This reduces the number of stub articles in the mainspace.

  • Adobe Flash Player - it's a fairly significant thing that's required for Scratch 2.0, but there is no article on it specifically. This article could provide info on what it is and details specifically on how to get it in different web browsers and operating systems.
  • Computer - We already have some articles on computer science, such as Computer Science and Lag. They are somewhat related to Scratch, and so is a computer. It's the main device used to run Scratch. An article on it is probably a good idea. It can cover basic logistics of computers but it also needs to be linked to Scratch in some way. You could talk about the development of computers coinciding with the progress of Scratch.
  • Yes Done - Defaults Library - Scratch has a built-in Costumes Library and Sprite Library and Sounds Library. I think maybe an article on this would be good.
  • Yes Redirected - Jobs - the main Scratch website has a Jobs page linked in the footer. As to why I think this deserves an article, we already have an article for the Statistics Page, Privacy Policy, and Terms of Use. I think, though, rather than talking about the Jobs page it could probably talk about Jobs. Scratch is an employer so this could be a good article on that stuff.
  • Yes Stub - Main Menu - It's part of most games, so we should probably have an article on it. What a main menu is and how to create one. Well we do have Creating a Main Menu but if we have an article on that an article on main menus in general is a good idea. You could even go outside of Scratch a bit and talk about main menus in NES games and such.
  • Removing a Character from a String - fairly self-explanatory.
  • Yes Done - Replicating a Multidimensional List - lists are 1D in Scratch. Just a list of items. In other programming languages you have multidimensional Arrays, so rather than have a list of say items 1-5, you may a have a list of items 1-5 but each of those items has a list inside of it. That'd be a 2D list. So basically you have lists inside of lists.
There are ways to "replicate" a multidimensional list with a 1D list. For example, if you want a list of 5 items and inside each item you want a list of 3 items, you can just pretend that the first 3 items in the list belong to the list items of the 1st highest dimension item in the list. I hope that makes sense. Like every 3 items it becomes a new item in a sense.
Then you can think outside of the box some. What if you don't want the same number of items in a list inside of an item? Well it requires some more complex logic then.
I also noticed the article Array does cover this some. But I think it would be possible to have a standalone article that goes way more in-depth.
  • Yes Done - Saving a Project - An article on how to save a Scratch project. Whether it be saved online or how to download it to your computer and save it there. It should be documented.
  • Sound Recorder - An article on how to connect a mic to Scratch and record sound in the Sound Editor. It's not really documented now. Currently we do have the article Sound Recorder which documents a Scratch 1.4 feature. This could be moved to Sound Recorder (1.4) and then a new article Sound Recorder can be made to document recording in Scratch 2.0.


Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 22:18, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

We came to the point that computer isn't relevant to Scratch.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 06:57, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm making the multidimensional list one in my sandbox now.
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07:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Done! I've put it at Multidimensional Arrays, but feel free to move it if you have a better title.
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00:09, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Nice!!
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 00:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! :D I am actually making a project that implements this on my testing account, so this article was more familiar to me to make.
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00:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── By the way, there is a section of one article that talks about the jobs available (Scratch Team#Jobs), although I agree it's a bit brief. I suggest we expand that section instead of making an article about it and have Jobs redirect to that section.
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03:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I'll create the Main Menu page really quick. It'll be basic, and won't have too much stuff (I'm not the best with wiki markup), but luckily you guys can edit it later. I'll just make a few description points and stuff like that.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 22:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I finished creating the Main Menu page. Wow, it was annoying trying to find a category, realizing I don't know what category to fit it into, creating a new category, creating a new category page, and then having to find a category for THAT page. I've marked it as a stub, though; it's not too complete, but it's still there.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 23:36, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
A quick note: I moved Main Menu to Menu (project) after a discussion between Duckboycool, WolfCat67 and I on the talk page. So yeah. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 17:06, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Seems like Downy did "Saving a Project"!
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06:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Jobs now redirects to Scratch Team#Jobs. If someone can either expand the section that would be great. Alternatively, someone could make a full-fledged article on it if they want and replace the redirect with that.
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06:48, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All

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One of the complexities of documenting Scratch is it changes so much. When Scratch transitioned from 1.4 to 2.0 there was an unbelievable amount of work on the Wiki that required tons of articles to be updated. This reached the solution of keeping articles relating to Scratch 1.4 but denoting them by putting "(1.4)" in the title of the article. For example, the older version of Paint Editor is Paint Editor (1.4). Another example is Project Compression (1.4) which is the old version of Project Compression.

I think we need to set in place some standards. In the future, we are going to have to do this for Scratch 3.0, so it's better if it can be done consistently. Firs thing to discuss is:

Past or Present Tense - I have noticed it is not always consistent. For example, Scratch Forums (1.4) discusses the forums in past tense. Paint Editor (1.4) uses the present tense, though that may make more sense since you can still use Scratch 1.4 while the Scratch forums are nonexistent. However, an article like Project Downloading (1.4) talks in the present tense even though project downloading on the Scratch 1.4 site is not possible since that old version of the site does not exist.

So I wonder, for an article that documents a feature in an old version of Scratch that is still accessible like the 1.4 Paint Editor, should it be: past or present tense?

For an article that documents a feature in an old version of Scratch that is impossible to access and there solely for history, should it be: past or present tense?

In the latter case of an article that documents an unavailable feature just for history, if present tense is used it sort of gives off the feel that that is how the article would be read if you were to be reading it in 2010 or whenever. This may make sense if we want our articles to sort of be like a frozen time capsule of the past. But if past tense is used, that could also make more sense because it's not 2010 but 2017.

Block Pages - This brings up another issue, and it has to do with block pages. An example of this is Distance to () (block). Please note that there is no Distance to () (block) (1.4) page on the Wiki, and that is so because this block is available in both Scratch 1.4 and 2.0, so we believed it was not necessary to document the same block in a prior version of Scratch. I'm starting to think, though, it might be a good idea.

Take a look at the script on that page. It uses the if <> then block as well as the stop [all v] block. Both these blocks are sort of in Scratch 1.4, but "if ()" then was just "if ()" and "stop [all v]" was just "stop all". So if somebody is using Scratch 1.4 and looks up the documentation of this block on the Wiki, the scripts in the article may use blocks not available in 1.4. There are probably more examples of block pages on the Wiki that use blocks not in Scratch 1.4, probably more dire examples than mine above.

It's just something to think about. How do we want to make our Wiki consistent throughout history to avoid any possible confusion? Do block articles deserve a (1.4) version or not? Eventually we are going to have (2.0) articles. It's best to decide stuff like this at the present moment.

If Block - I just noticed there happens to be no article on it. Technically "if () then" is only in 2.0, so shouldn't "if () (block) (1.4)" be an article?

Titles of Articles on items not in 2.0 - Examples of what I am talking about are the articles Stop All (block) as well as Java Player. The titles of these articles do not have (1.4) in the title because, well, they are not available in Scratch 2.0! So, I'm going to ask you guys, do you think by not having (1.4) in the title, it can be misleading, making people think it's a feature still available?

It does say at the top, "This article or section documents a feature not included in the current version of Scratch (2.0). It is only useful from a historical perspective" so I do not believe anybody reading the article is going to be confused and think the Java Player still exists. But do you think it should or should not have "(1.4)" in the title, or should "(1.4)" only be in the title of articles on features that have been replaced in Scratch 2.0?
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 22:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Turkey3 at it again with the great writing! I intend to move some things (leaving redirects, ofc) once I have time.
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23:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Firstly, I think that this is a very important topic. It's important to get this right, or, like you say, things could get more messy and complicated.
So, here are my views:
I agree that past tense should be used when something is no longer accessible, it's odd to say 'you can' if you can't anymore. Similarly, I support using present tense on still accessible but outdated features because you still 'can'.
I don't think we should make 1.4 versions of articles for blocks that are unchanged on both versions. Examples are only examples, so I don't believe it's worth duplicating a page for them. That being said, it should be good practice to make examples as 1.4/2.0-friendly as possible.
I also agree with making a 'if () (block) (1.4)' article as the change between versions could be a cause for confusion, and this article could help clear up that confusion.
I believe that the version number used on an article on an outdated feature should be the last version it was available in, making it clear that it is no longer used.
Furthermore, a feature on the current version should have no version number in my opinion, as this causes lots of moving when Scratch updates and also makes it appear to be historic, as the version number looks like it's denoting a secondary, or outdated version of something.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 18:52, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
So with that said do you believe the title should be "Java Player" or "Java Player (1.4)"?
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 19:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I support Java Player (1.4) and Stop All (block) (1.4) and at this moment I also support Flash Player and Stop () (block). However, when Scratch 3.0 comes, I believe that Flash Player should become Flash Player (2.0) and there should be a new article titled HTML5 Player.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 19:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Should "Griffpatch" become a wiki article?

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Now, I know that you're not supposed to create articles about users and all, but arguably, griffpatch is now a part of Scratch culture. The same goes for "Kaj"; they have an article, and they were a user once. However, since they became part of Scratch culture, they were allowed to have a topic made for them. So, we at the Discord chat have all been thinking about what to do. What are your thoughts on the matter? Of course, we would probably have to contact griffpatch about it to see if they're OK with it first.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 04:01, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

I've put the logs of the Discord conversation here for anyone that can't access it. I will say that I don't really mind that much whether we choose to make a Griffpatch article or delete the Kaj one, but I definitely do think that we should be consistent. I would argue that Griffpatch would actually make for a better article than Kaj, as it doesn't have that teasing element to it. It's also undeniable that Griffpatch is a huge part of Scratch culture nowadays, while Kaj is honestly dieing out a bit.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 04:11, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
So far, it seems like the reasoning for a griffpatch article is that he's massively popular, that he has the most popular Scratch project, he has a massive whitelist for chat projects, etc...
This is not what the wiki is for. It's not a popularity contest.
However, on that note, an article is allowable on other grounds. For example, the griffpatch problem. The ST acknowledged that many new Scratchers have trouble because they aim too high.
If there was more content in this direction, a griffpatch article would be acceptable.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:25, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I personally would support a Griffpatch article.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 04:38, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm pretty much neutral about this. Even though Griffpatch is one of the most well-known Scratch users, I think he's a bit overrated. Also, Kaj's account was deleted, but Griffpatch's still exists, so we may need his permission.
Nickeljorn (talk | contribs) 19:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I have a sudden concern with this: What happens if Griffpatch suddenly decides to come on the Wiki? If he's accepted, he'll have a userpage and a mainspace page about him. Otherwise, I'm neutral.
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01:58, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
So what...?
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 02:04, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
I personally would be in favour of a griffpatch article because I feel that he is as notable if not more notable than Kaj. I would also be in favour of not adding a griffpatch article and removing the Kaj article as well. (For the reasons stated above by Hamish)
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 14:50, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────For as long as I have been on the wiki, the criteria for articles about the community, users, projects, studios and collaborations has been "Was the product "sponsored" by the Scratch Team? This definition is tangable in a sense concerning all the above mentioned topics. "Kaj" became "sponsored" when the Scratch Team used him to describe an important point to the community. My impression is that this wiki is not about what really occurs in the community but more about what the Scratch Team does and the projects which they decide to back. Studios and collaborations are "sponsored" when they are set up by the Scratch Team and/or run by them. Forums have articles because they were set up by the Scratch Team, and so forth. My worry is that if we change this definition to what we define as "Scratch culture" I believe we lose the philosophy which has been held here. How we define "Scratch culture" is much less clear than the previous definition which I layed out. :) Now this does open up many new topics which may deserve articles because an argument can be made that they were "sponsored". The "griffpatch effect" as mentioned by ErnieParke may be an active problem that the Scratch Team is concerned with, and therefore deserves an article. Does "Griffpatch" deserve an article? No, b/c then we would need to write articles for many, many more community entities that deserve such. "WazzoTV" or "HobsonTV", with over 10,000 followers each may need articles as well. It would change our focus from being wiki editors to being wiki journalists, constantly updating and adding articles based on the newest cultural changes. Just my two cents on the matter ;)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 20:57, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Embedding of Scratch Projects

Hey! :) I was thinking it'd be cool if we could embed Scratch projects into the wiki. They could be used in place of the existing example projects in the Pen Projects article, used on certain tutorial pages to demonstrate an expected result or even show a process more easily using an animation.

At the moment, you can't use the <iframe> tag required for embedding a Scratch project on the wiki. I've done a little research, and it looks like the easiest way to allow iframes would be to install this Media Wiki plugin. The good thing about this extension is that it doesn't allow the embedding of any iframe, it can be configured to only allow the embedding of Scratch projects, for example.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 22:02, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

My concern is that having projects load on a WIki page could be slow and take up a lot of RAM and make things slower overall.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 22:09, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I definitely take your point. As long as we only embed one low-asset project per page though, it's impact on loading times would be more limited.
One article I thought could benefit is Pen Art Examples. For example, this project could be used to let readers see how it is rendered, in addition to the existing pictures. Readers could also then click the link and see inside to learn more.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 17:18, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
We could just make a gif of the pen being rendered.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 17:21, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
I have a(n) (possibly better) idea. If we could enable video files to be uploaded, then we could make screen recordings of example projects and have those recordings directly in articles. Thoughts?
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07:07, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
If I'm correct, mp4's were suggested before and accepted, but support was not added to the wiki.
This time around, when I re-suggest mp4's, how about we compile a list of what pages would benefit from it? Having examples is good motivation.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 14:18, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Sure! I think over 3/4 of all How To pages and tutorials would benefit from this :P
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09:30, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

References and Profile Comments

I've seen lots of people use profile comments from ST profiles as references in the wiki. However, when trying to click on them to check the source, it takes FOREVER to load in some browsers, especially if it's an older comment. Scratch has to load in every single comment on their page, and if it's old, that'll be a lot of comments to load. I think instead we should take screenshots of the comments, and upload them to the wiki. We could use those as references instead, no?
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 02:17, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

I think it's good to have a link to the comment for reference, but I wouldn't mind putting a screenshot in too somehow.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 02:56, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
That works better, actually.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 03:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Screenshot is probably better than waiting 10 years for a profile comment to load. However, it can also get annoying if we start having to put the screenshot on the page just to prove it. It would almost be better if we could take the screenshot, upload it to the Wiki, and then reference the image itself. So it would actually be a reference that points to an image on the Wiki, which sounds weird but I can't think of any better option unless a different image host is used to host the screenshot, but then it may potentially be overwritten, deleted, or be hosted on a site with inappropriate content.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 05:12, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
I have a slightly better idea. How about we have, for once, an actual format for references? So we do something like 'Paddle2See. (25/7/2017). "I think this glitch is caused by this issue." <link>' This way we can see the original comment (or at least the relevant bits) while still having a link if people need to see proof. We could add this guideline in Help:References. What do you guys think?
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13:51, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
@Turkey3 I meant for it to be like that, yes, instead of having images in the references. It could also have the original link to the comment on the file page. @Kenny2scratch That, too, sounds like a great idea. It's better than just a really long loading screen. XD
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 14:53, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
You aren't able to reference an image on the wiki? I thought you could. That does seem like a good solution to me if we do it.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 14:55, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────It just seemed weird to me. It's almost like referencing yourself in a way. Ken, I don't quite frankly understand your suggestion. If we say "Paddle2See. (25/7/2017)" that doesn't really tell anything as we still need to reference what he said on that day, which is when we use <ref> tags. And that leads right back to the problem of a comment never loading because it is 100 pages down on their profile. What could be done is a double reference, so upload a screenshot and reference that screenshot, and then right after make a second reference with the link to the actual source of the screenshot, the profile comment.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 18:40, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

I fully agree with that, @Turkey3. Linking to a screenshot, and then linking to the source, is probably the best way to do that. The source on the screenshot can prove that it hasn't been modified with Inspect Element in any way before taking the screenshot, and it'll be easier to read without a large loading time. It could be a progressive change, though; after all, there are lots of articles where comments are referenced, but as we find them, we can add them in as screenshots over time.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 19:08, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
@Turkey3 I don't think you read the full reference format. I'll put it down here:
Paddle2See. (25/7/2017). "I think this glitch is caused by this issue." <link>
We have the relevant bit of the comment after the date, before the link. That, then, would go inside <ref> tags. Get it?
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02:51, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
But what if you really don't want to type the actual quote into the article? I like it better when references are references and remain as those teeny square boxes with numbers. Once you start inserting the actual reference itself into the paragraph it can mess with the flow.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 04:45, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
When you put content inside <ref> tags, the only place it shows up is inside the <references/> tag! So here:[1]
Goes to here:
  1. Paddle2See. (25/7/2017). "I think this glitch is caused by this issue." <link>
Got it?
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06:54, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
I like that idea.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 16:36, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
So, we have two great ideas; should we do this change, and if so, which one should we use? The reference to an image, with a screenshot, or @Kenny2scratch's way of typing out the quote itself as a reference, with a link to the source?
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 16:50, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I think Ken's idea works best.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 21:24, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I like Kenny2scratch's idea too. It gives you the needed information easily.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 15:39, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
So, should we slowly start converting references to the way @Kenny2scratch came up with, or should we hold off for a little while longer?
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 16:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
That depends on whether we were planning on using an official citation method or not. :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 18:42, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
We seem to have already agreed on using one, and were just coming up with a method. Now that we (apparently) agree that the method I suggested is best, I think I'll add that as a regulation in Help:References.
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06:14, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
We could come up with our own, or use a more official citation form such as MLA, Chicago or APA.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 23:17, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
@Makethebrainhappy We've already decided on the format; it is as follows:
Paddle2See. (25/7/2017). "I think this glitch is caused by this issue." <link>
I would say this is now Yes Done, as it's also on the "Help:References" page.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 02:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Yes, I added that there. This (very long) topic is finally Yes Done.
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02:38, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Update: I found this :P. Also, I updated Help:Welcome/3 to let people know that there's a format.
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00:45, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

SDS helpers

I noticed that on the wiki, we don't have an article for SDS helpers. If you don't know what they are, they are people who are seen helping around in the current SDS, and are invited to curate by one of the SDS curators with the job of adding projects and answering questions.

I am thinking that we should note them on the wiki, since despite not being an official rank, they do exist, and can commonly be confused with SDS curators given that they curate SDS'.

I was asking here if you think we should make a new article for this, or if we should instead add them as a section in SDS Curators. Also, if for any reason you think that we shouldn't do this at all, it's good to check in here first.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 21:06, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

I definitely don't think they should have their own article, as I don't think we would be able to find enough information about them for a whole article. The problem is, there is that kind of SDS Helper, and then there is the other kind, which is just unofficial people who like to help out in the SDS. So there are kind of two definitions.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 01:20, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Anyone else got an opinion on this?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 01:26, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
I would add a section on the SDS page about the official ones who curate the studio. Both defintitions could also be clarified, but I do not believe that this really requires a new article. That would probably cause more confusion :).
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 04:08, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
I second that. Also, I don't think there is enough information out there for a whole article.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 14:28, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Just to clarify, you propose that we have it on SDS rather than SDS Curator, correct?
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 23:41, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
I personally think we'd do it on SDS Curator because SDS Helpers and SDS Curators are so related. If you or Makethebrainhappy think otherwise, tell me :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 23:51, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Or anyone else, in fact :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 00:13, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Just contributing my bit here:

I think that SDS Helpers should be a section in SDS Curator, like most of you. However, additionally, I think that SDS Helper should redirect to SDS Curator#SDS Helper or whatever the section will be called. I don't think that the position is broad enough to warrant an article of its own, but that title can still redirect to the section documenting it.
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01:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

By unanimous decision, I have added in a section about it in SDS Curator. If any of you would like to look or improve it, just go there. I have not made the redirect page yet since I'm waiting for more approvals of the idea.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 12:43, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
@Kenny2scratch Yes, I agree. @Duckboycool Cool! I'll go look at it and see if I can add anything. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 13:39, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for helping all. I can't believe I forgot the duties of SDS helpers. It was the first reason I wanted to make the section :P.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 15:07, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
You can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this is Yes Done since the section has been created on SDS helpers.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 18:14, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

We need a system for when to archive

Lately, with the election there has been a lot of CP activity. This has resulted in some long threads and irregular archive times. So I think we need a system for when we archive.

We have a few options:

  • When the bytecount reaches a certain amount[note 1]
  • When the number of topics reaches a certain amount[note 2]
  • When the page takes a certain amount of time to load[note 3]
  1. What I would go with
  2. Plausible but thread length is variable
  3. Probably not this, it's hard to measure

So what do you guys think?
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11:18, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree, and think the best thing is when it's 125,000 bytes or over. This seems at about a good time to me.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 12:23, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
2 As a bytecount could archive an unfinished topic. (No, I literally mean a post half archived)
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 13:47, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
You wouldnt include the unfinished topics.
Customhacker Logo.png Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 14:01, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
I'd go with #1 -- because there could be a lot of topics, or there could be not that many and they're really long, so it's the most universal between what could happen on the CP that makes it so long.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 14:30, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
I am marking this as No Not done as this will be archived very soon.
Edit:It was actually archived as I said this, and therefore unneeded, as this is still here anyway. :P
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 15:36, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
We don't just naively archive the community portal. It's important to look over topics to check whether or not they're finished. :)
That being said, we have had a very inconsistent archive schedule, so a rule would be nice.
Archiving serves the main purpose of making it easier for wikians to see the current discussions in the Community Portal. The main challenge is how much dead content is there versus current discussion, which is difficult to measure.
So instead, archiving should be based off of load times, which is directly influenced by bytecounts.
@Duckboycool: 125,000 sounds about right.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:02, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── This topic is Yes Done
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06:49, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Checking InterwikiBot

Hi everyone! I've rewritten the interwiki portion of User:InterwikiBot, seeing as PyWikiBot is broken. I've uploaded the bot proposed edits here: User:InterwikiBot/Proposed Edits

Can someone look over a few proposed edits and confirm they are valid?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:14, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Update. I got Jvvg to confirm everything looks good, so I will be officially running the interwiki portion of the bot now.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:53, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
This topic is Yes Done
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07:01, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Editing not working

I am trying to edit my profile page, but nothing happens when I press the pencil. What has happened?
Eco fox (talk | contribs) 03:50, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

When you press the pencil, a list of things to do will pop up. Choose "Edit".
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04:05, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Sometimes, if the page takes a really long time to load, then the pencil buttons will not show for awhile.
If this problem persists, try switching to a different skin in your preferences > Appearance. I recommend Vector.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:42, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
"I recommend Vector" well Vector is the only skin available besides SWS so that should be obvious... But in all seriousness the SWS has multiple problems while Vector has none of those.
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05:35, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
It isn't the website because I tried it on another device. I am on Vector now. Thanks for telling me! It works!
Eco fox (talk | contribs) 05:46, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
No problem! This is Yes Done now.
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05:55, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

A new namespace for AF pages

No Will come into play later

As most of you probably know, jvvg is going to become inactive after the summer. One question that currently stands related to that is: who will manage the AF pages?

I have an idea. Instead of the AF pages being under somebody's userspace, how about we create a new namespace (probably AF:) and move all the AF articles to it? This would make it a) kinda more accessible since it's easier for editors to look for "AF:Scratch Wiki Home" than "User:Jvvg/AF/Scratch Wiki Home"; and b) it would be more SW community-oriented, since there wouldn't be any person controlling the entire thing (still with admins and EWs moderating, of course!).

So what do you think?
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10:03, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

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All of you make good points. If we use the template and agree that EWs and admins can act unilaterally on April Fools' pages, I can see it working. Just remember that I am not leaving immediately and will still be around at least through the end of the summer and maybe through the end of the year (depending on how busy I am), so we don't need to hurry anything and have time to think about it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:37, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

@jvvg Do we label this as {{not done}} then?
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 20:37, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
So, our plan of action is as follows, then:
  1. Get scmb1 or anyone with server access to add the AF: namespace
  2. Move all AF pages to the corresponding titles under the AF namespace (e.g. User:Jvvg/AF/Template:E -> AF:Template:E) — this can be done by WikiMonitor
  3. Change Template:April Fools to point to AF:{{FULLPAGENAME}}
  4. Create a new template (maybe Template:AF) with the content in my sandbox and put that template on every AF page
  5. Create Scratch Wiki:April Fools explaining the AF phenomenon on the Wiki
  6. Agree that EWs and admins can act unilaterally on AF pages
And we'll be done! This should take place some time (maybe one or two weeks) before jvvg leaves.
@WolfCat67: Yeah, I'll label it as not done because this will come into play later.
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09:27, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
That seems about right :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 15:00, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Actually, I think we should do the first three now... Thoughts?
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02:40, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
I'll go create Template:AF now then.
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13:11, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I've contacted scmb1 on her profile and explained what we're doing. It'll probably take her a few days to see it, but once she's added the namespace we can get on with transferring the pages. How soon do you guys think we should make Scratch Wiki:April Fools?
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06:53, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Change of plan: scmb1 says we should keep the AF articles as subpages of Scratch Wiki:April Fools.
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05:36, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

More on curator announcements

In addition to updating the front page (which we saw yesterday worked fine), WM now also updates the curator page and the list of curators. This means please do not update those pages yourself or WM may duplicate your work.

Just for anyone wondering, here's a basic technical explanation of the process:

  • It finds the current curator by pulling the name from the news
  • It checks that against the Scratch front page and sees if they are different
  • If they are different, then it continues (otherwise it ends here)
  • It determines the last curator and its sequential number (like 260 or whatever) from the most recent edit to the front page in the format "updating curator (X, #Y)"
  • It puts in a new announcement at the beginning with the name of the new curator and the sequential number of the last curator plus one and trims the announcement feed to remain at 5 items
  • It replaces the sequential number of the curator on the curator page
  • It does the same on the list of curators, then breaks down the list and adds the previous curator to the end of that list, replacing the item of the current curator with the new one

This means that you cannot edit the following things without notifying me:

  • Curator announcements on the front page
  • The sentence "There have been X curators since the program started." on the curator page
  • The actual numbered list of curators on that page
  • The name of the current curator inside the "<onlyinclude>" tags
  • The sentence "There have currently been X [[../|curator]]s." on the list of curators page.

I will update those pages shortly to add comments explaining why. Enjoy faster and easier curator announcements!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:43, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Sweet! Will it add the future curators?
Customhacker Logo.png Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 19:18, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes! Starting next Monday it will automatically update all three pages (the announcements, the curator page, and the list of curators).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:35, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Noice!
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 20:49, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Problem - the curator slot changes every Monday, and yet the date changed today, July 4, which isnt 7 days before and is also a tuesday. Random Question: does WM have ADMIN powers in order to update the FP?
Customhacker Logo.png Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 21:01, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Actually, I think they made the protection level BOT+
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 21:05, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Ooh, nice! Go WikiMonitor! :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 22:32, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Cool! I'm secretly glad that my idea of putting the current curator inside <onlyinclude> tags was a good one :D Finally, this will no longer be a problem!
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06:54, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

The reason for the incorrect date was that I had to run it again on Tuesday to test updating the other two pages, and doing that required letting it add a new announcement to the news. I have since fixed it and as long as the curator is updated on Monday, this shouldn't happen again. Also, the protection level is indeed bot+EW+admin, so no, WM is not an admin.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:23, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
There’s another problem with the date: nickeljorn's message has no date (July , 2017)
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11:04, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
That one's on me, not WM. Because of the testing I did on Tuesday it put in Tuesday's date, then I tried to fix it, and apparently did it wrong.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:53, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Well that's done now; I think this topic is Yes Done too.
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14:54, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

An offtopic page - a suggestion

My idea is: we have an offtopic talk page (maybe Scratch Wiki talk:Offtopic) for people to discuss things that are not necessarily related to the SW. This would be similar to the former Miscellaneous forum (split into TIRP/TIMC). During the brief time the Discord chat existed for everyone, the #offtopic channel was the most beloved.

The immediate advantages of having such a page are, as I see them:

  • Better community bonding - Wikians can talk to each other about things they love, and get to know each other better
  • More active users - users who come on just to use this page will still make useful contributions from time to time, and this could encourage inactive users to become active again

The immediate problems with having this page, that I can think of off the top of my head, are:

  • Moderation - as will most suggestions, moderation is a problem. Who would be there to make things stay on topic (everybody, repeat after me: stay on topic, stay on topic, stay on topic!)? Who would close down threatening topics (such as flame-war-prone topics)? Currently, for this I see two possible solutions:
    • The admins and EWs - but we'd need a lot more
    • A new usergroup with powers related to talk page moderation - but this requires modification of LocalSettings.php
  • Scratch Team's view - will this, in their eyes, actually be similar to the Miscellaneous forum? Or will they view it, too, as "unmoderated chat"?

I'm totally fine with this being rejected - the problems have no easy solutions. However, please do consider the advantages and ways to fix the problems.

With that, discuss!
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13:37, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

So exactly like the CP, but for stuff not directly relating to the SW?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 13:44, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Basically.
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14:15, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
I always presumed that we used Kenny's talk page for these kind of discussions. :P
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 15:21, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Same, that's why I always stalked it. Well, one of the reasons. ;)
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 15:41, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree. This section would really help with teambuilding on the wiki, especially with such a small group of active wikians.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 17:15, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure. I feel like the Scratch forums already serve that purpose well.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 17:18, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

scmb1 has raised the issue before (clicky!):

I’d rather we tried harder to cultivate a spirit of inclusion rather than making the wiki feel like an exclusive “club”

– scmb1

By having a dedicated offtopic discussion page, we would once again appear more like an exclusive club. Remember that the reason that all of you are here is that you passed the test about how well you can edit the Wiki. It seems unfair to have other benefits associated with that on top of being able to edit the Wiki, and having an offtopic discussion page would do that. While the user talk pages are a place where some offtopic discussion occurs, the location in talk pages indicates it's unofficial and not Wiki-sponsored. Putting it in a central location on the Wiki shows that it is Wiki-sponsored. Additionally, I'm worried that we may have people who start submitting account requests just to join the offtopic chat, which would decrease the quality of account requests (and already the majority of the requests are less than excellent).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:34, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

I 100% agree with you on that, jvvg. The wiki is for editing, and talking about editing. Not off-topic chat. As you said, people would want to join the wiki to join the off-topic chat, when that is not at all the purpose of the wiki. If you'd like to talk about books, sports, videogames, or things you are creating outside of Scratch and the wiki, there are specific sub-forums for that in the Scratch forums.
https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/30/
https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/29/
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 22:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
...It's a bit gratifying that you guys consider my talk page such a place... @jvvg I totally understand what you mean. This topic is Yes Done now.
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09:12, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Top Bar Navigation

Do we control our top-bar navigation options?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 15:33, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Are you asking about how the top bar hasn't changed yet on the wiki? If so, I believe it's just because it's hosted on a different server, and the ST hasn't updated it yet.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 15:43, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
I certainly hope it doesn't get updated. I still want easy access to the Discussion Forums from the wiki too.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 15:55, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
As of now Scratch has 3 different headers. The front page differs from the forums and the forums differ from the Wiki.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 17:09, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
The header is part of the skin which needs to be updated from the code. This means that only the Scratch Team can change it. Usually what happens is someone will post the updated code on GitHub and submit a pull request to the ST, and then they put the updated code on the server. I doubt that they would go and update it themselves, so this means that one of us needs to make the appropriate changes and pull request. If nobody does, it will remain as-is.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:21, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Well RIP "Discuss" bar for the main site. I feel like we should be included on the new "tips" page somewhere.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:28, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Just a Reminder to Everyone of Our Editing Conventions

According to Scratch Wiki:Editing Conventions, let me pull out the chunk I'm talking about:

I see a lot of you wanting to use the second person, so much in fact that nearly every article I click on from Special:Random, if I ctrl-f "you" I pretty much find many instances of it. In the future, please try to avoid using it. It's not the proper way to write something that is documenting something, because the reader is unimportant to the content of the article (I know that sounds cruel but it's true :P) and by using "you" it detracts from the article and puts focus on the reader.

I generally like to use "one". "One must..." instead of "You have to...". Passive is also good.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 17:30, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, it's just sometimes difficult to make something other than "you" in some cases, such as inside of tutorials. I try to avoid it as much as possible.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 17:34, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
I'll try to do that more from now on. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 18:07, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
@WolfCat67: Tutorials are allowed to use second person sparingly, so that you know.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 03:52, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Navigation Bar

Does anyone see the Discuss is still on the Wiki Nav bar?
Customhacker Logo.png Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 22:41, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

May I refer you to the discussion two posts up.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 22:44, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
You may...
Customhacker Logo.png Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 23:25, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Haha
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:27, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes Done
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13:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday articles

I was going around, and I found the article Wiki Wednesday and the Wiki Wednesday/Articles subpage. After looking at them, I noticed that they weren't updated correctly. Most notably the main page which said that there were 10 so far rather than 15, and said the current featured article was Tips. (Which was two Wiki Wednesdays ago.) I was wondering if we could use bots to do this automatically every Wiki Wednesday. If this is too complicated to do for the little result, then I will be happy to take this up myself to update the two pages every month. Thanks for reading.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 16:58, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Bots are a good idea in my opinion...and since WikiMonitor updates the FPC, I can imagine it *probably* wouldn't be that difficult...? (I know nothing about bots and their programming so please correct me if I am wrong. :P) I'm guessing that WikiMonitor could do something like that but I'm not jvvg so don't quote me on that. :P
But yeah. This idea gets a +1 from me!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 17:47, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
I think we should just remove the count and list of featured articles entirely. When articles are featured they get {{featured}} on them, which puts them into Category:Featured Articles/Images; and that’s an automatically updated list.
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23:41, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh -- yes, maybe that's a good idea.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 15:41, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Doing... - needs someone to delete the subpage.
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13:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Well I think it's better if we don't delete it and just have a person update it since this is ordered better, and gives dates to articles. Plus the original page would still need to be updated, so it's not removing something that needs to be updated manually. But a EW will decide.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 13:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Article on Tips Page?

Now that the Help Page has been removed and been replaced with the Tips page, should we make an article on the tips page? The Help Page article could stay as a historical reference kind of thing, because the Tips page includes different content and names and all of that. Or, should we just move Help Page to Tips Page, and chnage it up?
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 17:50, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I think that Help Page and Tips Page would stay as two different articles if a Tips Page article was made personally.
But the Help Page redirects to the Tips page now, as you added in the article.
https://scratch.mit.edu/help
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 17:57, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
I added the {{obsolete feature}} template to the Help Page though.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 17:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
I think they should be separate articles.
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Alright, I'll be making the article tomorrow sometime. Look out for it :P
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 23:57, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Okay! I will! :P
(Edit conflict with myself lol)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 13:23, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Congratulations on double-clicking the save button by accident :P. I think this topic is Yes Done...?
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13:32, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Thanks xD :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 13:36, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I made the article. This is now Yes Done, though it of course needs some improvements.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 03:30, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Changing Subject template.

I was wondering if there was a wiki template that would note that the subject of an article has changed, and that if you are an editor, you should try to change it to match what it is currently. I was also wondering that if this template doesn't exist, should I make one for it.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 21:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Is {{outdated}} what you’re looking for?
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23:43, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes. Thank you. I knew I saw something that was like that. Yes Done
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Article of the Month -- redirects to the wrong page

When, on the home page of the Wiki, the "Read more" button is clicked on the Featured Article (which is about the semicolon glitch), the redirect goes to the wrong page. It instead goes to the Curator (front page) article.
Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 00:12, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Actually, the featured article should be Curator (front page)...
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00:39, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Semicolon Glitch was the last one, and they recently updated it to go to Curator (front page)
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 00:47, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, on Scratch Wiki Home/Featured Article, it still shows Semicolon Glitch! The Read More link goes to Article of the Month, which redirects to Curator (front page), the current featured article.
Not explaining myself very well... Semicolon Glitch is not the most recent featured article; Curator (front page) is. However, on the featured article page, it still shows Semicolon Glitch. ←That's the problem.
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00:55, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Let me see what I can do
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:46, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
I'll ask jvvg if I was supposed to remove the image portion, but it looks alright. I'd say that this is Yes Done
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:50, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I had earlier asked someone to make Article of the Month redirect to the Curator (front page) article because that's what it was, but I guess nobody updated that page. :P
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 02:54, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
@Makethebrainhappy: The image was originally there so to have more images on the front page, making the wiki a little more inviting.
Thank you for updating the text though!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:32, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Watch the CP?

Just wondering, but can you add the CP to your watchlist? It would be cool to be notified of a new topic being posted.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 14:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, you can. Just click the pencil icon and choose “watch” or whatever it is. I use vector so I don’t know the wonders of that icon.
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15:37, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
You can - it is on my watchlist.
Customhacker Logo.png Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 15:47, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
@kenny2scratch Well I use vector too so... @customhacker How did you do it?
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 16:06, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Actually, ken, I just found out how to do it in Vector. Just press the star next to the 'View history' button and kaboom! It's on your watchlist.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 16:09, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
I just hit the pencil and watch... in the normal skin.
Customhacker Logo.png Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 16:18, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh, ok. I believe that this is Yes Done.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 16:41, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Shortcuts?

Is it possible to create a custom shortcut to lead to, say, a user subpage?
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 20:56, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

It’s certainly possible; I’m not sure if it’s allowed. The only case I know of a page redirecting to a user page is that User:Mtwoll redirects to User:MartinWollenweber.
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23:09, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Userpages must be under userspace, so no, you are not allowed to create shortcuts to userpages. Sorry.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:09, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
don't mind me, just marking this as Yes Done here.
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12:57, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
@jvvg Ok. I was just wondering as it's annoying typing Drunken Sailor every time, and would be so much quicker to just type DS.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 14:45, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
For your own userpage, you can click your username at the top right and then click the first item in the dropdown.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:29, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Scratch seems to be down

Scratchsig pics aren't working again, and I see this: [1].
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13:54, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah I saw the page also. The reason that ScratchSigs is down is since the Scratch server is down. We've already talked about that. Although for the front page, I think it's because the 3.0 pages are hosted differently than the rest of Scratch, so it is unable to load all assets that require data from the actual Scratch server. Why the explore tab works, I can't say.
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Yeah... :/ I see exactly the same thing, but without the cooking language on. :P If you try to go anywhere but the main page (for example, the discuss page), it will say they are having issues with their server.
The Discuss Page
(Edit conflict with Duckboycool :P)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 14:05, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
They do know about it though, and have posted on twitter.[1] Also, does anybody know why explore works?
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 14:17, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Isnt it a google custom search or something?
Customhacker Logo.png Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:17, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Anyway, it seems to be up now.
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00:05, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes Done
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:06, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

using first person in an article

This is a bit of a personal issue, but I just wanted to ask this for the sake of courtesy.

I'm currently trying to edit the MIDI Notes Wiki. When I was editing the article, I had this constant feeling like what I was typing was just... wrong. I don'y exactly know how to describe the feeling. Then I figured it out.

It was because I was typing in third person.

I'm so used to saying "I personally think..." or "In my opinion..." when speaking to others, but the thought of other people reading this article without me saying that just made me feel bad.

So, like the title of this article says, Is it okay to speak in first person? Of course, if it is not allowed, I will respect that rule and type in third/second person.

Thanks again if you reply.


XXKingdomHearts16Xx (talk | contribs) 03:27, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

You should use third person, not second nor first.
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Using third person (he/she/they/it) is always much preferred - articles should be impersonal. In rare cases, you may use second person (you) in tutorial or how to articles, but first person (I/me/myself) is absolutely wrong.
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05:41, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
From Scratch Wiki:Editing Conventions: "Avoid 'you' at all costs."
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 17:55, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Actually we are changing it now so second person is allowed on tutorial-type articles.
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Even then, try avoiding second person. Though its difficult, there are plenty of ways to instruct users without using "you". I actually haven't seen the word you being used in a manual now that I think about it.
DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 01:13, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
A wiki article shouldn't include your opinions, it's meant to be objective. That's why you shouldn't use the first person.
Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 09:34, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

My edit count seems to be out of sync

If I transclude my edit count, I get 2,702; but on the actual page, the "Total" count is 39 less than the transcluded count! What's going on?
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07:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Werid. If I do it, I get 269 but that is actually a few less than the count on the page.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 13:43, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Same here! The only difference is that mine is only 10 behind.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 14:21, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Is anybody else having the same problem?
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09:18, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Actually, when transcluded, my Editcount is 25 less than the real count...:/
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 11:45, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Reference Question

Do studio comments also receive the new reference format?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 12:39, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes they should. Basically anything on the Scratch Website that could take a long time to load.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 13:26, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Things that should follow the format:
  • Profile comments
  • Studio comments
  • Forum posts (archive or not)
And that's basically it.
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02:46, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Studio comments were not included on Help:Reference. I'll add it. :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:17, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
This is Yes Done
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:20, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I will be out for about two weeks

The title pretty much summarizes the message. In the more long-term, I will probably stick around until the end of this year, but I will let all of you know more specific plans as the time comes.

WikiMonitor will still be running, but I have it set on a timer where if someone shuts it off it will automatically try to restart four hours later if it has been re-enabled, so if anyone does shut it off, it will take four hours to start back up (still, please do not shut it off unless there is actually a problem).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:54, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

In that case, I think we should start AF change preparations. Yes?
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02:47, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Got it.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 08:25, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
@Drunken_Sailor: Since I'm assuming that was a reply to Jvvg and not me, I've reduced the indent by 1. I thought (originally) that you were saying "Got it, we'll start AF preparations now."
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09:18, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Why is everyone so worried about the April Fool Pages xD
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:37, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, the reason I'm worried about them is because the change was my idea...
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03:51, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm back!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:02, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Welcome back!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 16:51, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yay!
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 18:23, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

YaYA!!
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04:35, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

We just hit a record high for active users

According to Interwikibot's stats page, the English wiki had 92 active users last week.

I know that there may have been more active users before Interwikibot started recording stats, but this is the highest count recorded, so it's a record high.
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09:16, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Nice! I'm pretty sure it was 81 when I joined.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 09:19, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Sweet! Which reminds me- I need to take statistics for the forums before it starts blowing up again.
DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 09:20, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Lol.
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09:32, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Yeah I think we've pretty much given up on patrolling every edit by now :P
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 19:41, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
(well if I had won I'd be all over the place patrolling edits :P)
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05:19, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Well really just mainspace edits by newer users are the most important things to patrol. I really have no desire to click through every talk page post such as the policeman one "stop right there!" - you know exactly what I'm talking about. :P
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 05:37, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
LOL yeah. That was fun LOL‎. Thing is, I did have to do something to get that user's attention or they would have continued their RC clogging.
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05:53, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Hey, it's now 100!
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 22:10, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
@Drunken_Sailor It is! Woohoo! :P And I'll bet that number will only rise, as a lot of users seem to be requesting to join the wiki, and it seems there have been more good requests in the past week than there have been before based on how long I've been on the wiki (not long).
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 22:13, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Really? If we are bringing that back up again, I better go find a cop meme. So I am actually being constructive, that is a lot of active users!
Customhacker Logo.png Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 23:55, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Quite Impressive. The Applications have been pretty good overall, but their are definitely a good # of requests per day.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:06, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
The guidelines also had simplifications done like in April sometime. We quite significantly reduced the size of them. That may have something to do with it. Or it's Ken. Ken's activity just makes everyone else active. I think there's some science term for that effect I just can't think of.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 02:11, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
That reminds me of the effect of someone smiling which spreads the smile to someone else and soforth.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:15, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
August is going to be a bad month then xD
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:16, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm going to be away during August so if you guys depend on me for your activity August is going to be slow.
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05:42, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
@OP - Ooh, nice!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 14:04, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I think templates should show when they were placed

This is a convention from Wikipedia: Templates show the time they were added to the page. I think this is a great convention and should be included in this wiki too.

The main advantages:

  • It shows how long, say, an article has needed to be expanded.
  • All we have to do is to do {{subst:stub}} instead of {{stub}}. To add the date to already-existing templates, we'll have to add it manually with the help of page history (what I did before to stubs).

The main problem:

  • All pages that already have templates on them will show the time the template was changed, not the time they were added. It's unfortunate, but there's no fix for it.

If we're okay with doing this, I'll start adding that snippet of code to all the templates. Thoughts?
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10:37, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I think that's a great idea! I've actually removed some templates from articles when I realized they weren't needed anymore, but I'd like to know how recently those were put up, or how long ago.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 16:29, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Any others want to contribute their opinion? I'd like to have more than one person's support before proceeding, as this is slightly more large-scale than normal. Also, does anyone else have a solution for the problem, or are we just going to leave it at that?
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02:50, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I have a problem: It seems that the snippet of code above does not evaluate the subst:. The only way to do that is with the {{#invoke:}} function, but we don't have that because we don't have the Scribunto extension installed. Does anyone have a way to get around this?
Wait, hold on a second, I might have a way but I need to do some testing.
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03:57, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Nope, that didn't work.
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05:18, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree. I would like to know how long an article has been a stub for.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 08:20, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
I've now asked StackOverflow for help, hope results come in!
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13:31, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Alright, bad news: it's apparently not possible to substitute inside a template. We're just going to have to add a guideline somewhere that says "Please add the date to the template by adding |date=Month YYYY before the }}". Meanwhile, I'll add the parameter handling and start going around adding the date.
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06:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Alternatively, we could use ~~~~~ to do it as that's much easier to remember, but isn't quite as good for the situation. I think we should wait for some people's opinions on this before we do too much.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 23:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

I'm pretty sure that ~~~~~ wouldn't be a good idea - we only want the month and year. But just remember - let's say you're adding a {{stub}} template - use
{{stub|date={{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}}}
when placing the template.
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04:13, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Wait, an answer came in! It's a good one too! You guys may want to read the answer and its comment, to find out what I'm doing, but here goes some template changing! (that means another pass through Category:Article Stubs... ugh)
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06:17, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Since you've fixed this, we have to change the descriptions on the category pages themselves. I've done this to Stubs, so you can look there, and tell me what needs to be different. Once I have an idea for what to do, I'll go and edit the category pages. Sound good?
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 12:57, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't see this - sure! All you have to do is change the descriptions to say {{subst:<template>}} instead of what they previously said. Thanks for helping out!
I'm also planning to add a feature in Deathly_Hallows that adds the date if the template was transcluded instead of substituted - stay tuned!
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04:57, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

This is cool

Though sometimes the Wiki uses Github issues as references, this time a Github issue referred to a Wiki article! https://github.com/LLK/scratch-gui/issues/540
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14:11, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Cool-cat-emoji.png Cool!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 17:44, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm sure it's happened before. :P Also, template cool should be a thing.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 20:36, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
So true xD
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 23:30, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
It is now! Cool-cat-emoji.png Cool!
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02:41, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
I must wonder how often it will be used out of the CP, but I suppose the same could be said for {{done}} and {{not done}}. Cool-cat-emoji.png Cool!
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 13:06, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Cool-cat-emoji.png Cool! That's awesome, nice new template. Should it be possible to change what it says, though? :P
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 22:04, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── YES! Doing... that now.
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05:00, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Done! Cool-cat-emoji.png Awesome!
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05:24, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Cool-cat-emoji.png That's great!
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 18:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


How to make a new article?

How to you make a Aritcle ( A new one)--
Torotv (talk | contribs) 23:29, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Just go to a page that doesn't exist yet that you want to create, click the pencil, and click create. When you save the page, it will be created. Just make sure that the page you make fits the criteria here when making a page.
Also make sure to put a new section in. ;)
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 02:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

New Articles

I have noticed that many articles have been created that do not meet the wiki guidelines. I would ask that all newer users review the Editing Conventions and the new page policies New Page Policies. If you are not 100% sure, put the articles in your userspace and ask others to review them before publishing. The wiki takes pride in it's collaborative efforts, and I have learned that the product of the group is always better than the product of the individual members.

Onto a lighter subject, I would like the bring up the subject of creating an article for isOnline. We did not reach a community consensus the last time, but agreed that once is reached over 1,000 users it would probably be notable enough. World_Languages has informed me that "it's the most installed Chrome extension that modifies the Scratch community website (excluding editor extensions)" and that it now has over 1500 users. Here is a link to the extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/isonline/pabjccjpgemijhffgnaamebfbcnalghj . Torotv created an article for it today, but I felt that a little more discussion was necessary beforehand. With that said, discuss. :D
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:56, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

  1. I somehow doubt that new users look at the community portal all that often - they'll probably only take note if you tell them directly on their talk pages.
  2. I think that isOnline has done fine - it now has >1300 users, according to the extension page. I'm fine with it having the page it deserves - but I'm probably not going to add anything to the page, since I don't use it anymore (the annoying prompt when I changed devices or accounts to reconfirm got too annoying).
FYI, by the way, I edited the OP because external links to internal pages are unholy.
My thoughts on the matter :D
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04:28, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
I've never used isOnline, but since so many people use it and it's so popular on Scratch, I think it deserves an article. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy (talk | contribs | scratch profile ) 16:16, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree.
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I think isOnline is popular enough to merit an article of its own.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 16:19, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello everyone- we just had a rare case of vandalism. If anyone see's this message "hacked :) this is what you get for banning me for no reason on my other account <3 ily all 💛 besides scratch staff" on any page instead of actual content, please inform an EW or administrator immediately so that we can undo the edits. I would take this as an opportunity to tell everyone that we should not vandalize, but I do not believe that is necessary. Everyone in our tight-knit community here has the wikis best interests in mind. Even though you may see your hard work gone, removed, or otherwise disturbed, do not fear because we can easily rollback the edits and restore it in perfect condition. Thanks everyone!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:38, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

I have had the rare unfortunateness to have seen two cases of vandalism on the wiki - but there's something you need to know:
Reverting the edits DOES NOT HIDE THEM - the revisions are STILL THERE. We need an admin to actually delete the revisions themselves for this to be fully cleaned up - and judging by the amount of edits that's going to take a bit.
Besides that, once it's cleaned up this topic will need to be removed and its revisions hidden too.
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03:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, it should be fine as long as it isn't the current state of the articles, but I'm sure an admin will get to it soon. It is a lot of edits to delete though.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 03:24, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@Duckboycool Yeah, it sure is a lot of edits. We were working hard on removing everything... Looks like "undo" doesn't remove the edits either. :P Well, the admins are going to certainly have a hard time, but looking at that users' contributions, none of the contributions they made were in their current state after their activity stopped, so it isn't the current state of anymore.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 15:46, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I know. I saw you two talking about it.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 16:35, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Yup. I feel sorry for the unfortunate Admin that has to hide everything.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 21:48, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
why do we need to hide all revisions?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:49, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Because otherwise some random user could see the page history, look at a vandalized revision and think "What the heck? This place is weird - I'm staying away"
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02:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@Ken Or redo the vandalism.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 10:28, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
We do have an application process. Two points on that, most applicants don't look at the RC. It is quite difficult to find if you are not logged in. The stuff will be buried pretty quickly. If they have any common sense then it will tell them not to do that.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 12:08, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Change the name of the new April Fools page.

I suggest a change to the title of Scratch Wiki:April Fools. This change will append "Pages" at the end of the title. The new title will be "Scratch Wiki: April Fools Pages." I thought this would be natural because it's a collection of subpages, right? What do you think?
1a3c5e7g9i's Armemedillo 1a3c5e7g9i(Talk|Contributions) 02:01, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

First off, WHOA.
Next, I think that Scratch Wiki:April Fools is a fine title - that page is supposed to also document the April Fools phenomenon on the Wiki, and not just act as a container page - i.e., the page should talk about what happens on April Fools day and not just act as a wrapper.
Third, give us some warning! When I moved the AF pages from Jvvg's namespace to that page, there was plenty of warning - there had been a CP discussion up there already.
So, no, I think the title should not be changed - Scratch Wiki:April Fools should be more than just a container.
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03:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
No, Scratch Wiki:April Fools is fine. Anyway, please do this BEFORE moving everything:
"If in doubt, please ask on the Community Portal first."
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 08:43, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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