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Threads that need "long time and hard work" will not be archived, but moved to Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/not done. Actually you can read and continue following threads there:

To make sure that your thread will not be archive put the template No Not done at the top.
Don't forget to replace it with the Yes Done template when the thread is finally finished.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 17:44, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Suggestions to connect with the main website?

No Not done

You all may have noticed that we're relatively detached from the main Scratch website. We're trying to fix that by connecting the Wiki with the main site as much as we can, and we would like your input! Any ideas would be appreciated.

Please post your suggestions here
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:22, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Awesome! I'll check it out. Thanks, jvvg!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 19:48, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Yep, and please also comment other suggestions if you like :) - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 20:05, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
That's really a great chance for the Scratch-Wiki...I hope all authors contribute with their thoughts and ideas
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 12:40, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Maybe there could be a link at the op of the page, like "Discuss" and "Explore"--
MegaByteCorporations (talk | contribs) 19:10, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
That's already been suggested, and I don't think we're doing it.
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 23:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
That's unfortunate.
--
MegaByteCorporations (talk | contribs) 18:37, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Scratch News

No Not done Do we really have to announce new FPC's and SDS's? Can't people just look at the front page? I think It should be about new and retiring ST members, and stuff that would go in the announcements.
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 13:10, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree. That stuff is kind of obvious, and not very important. Also, it happens a lot, so it doesn't always get updated on time. For example, bjskistad was only curator for 1 or 2 more days when he or she was announced as the curator. Also, I think updates to Scratch should be announced.
Mitopolis (talk | contribs) 15:27, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 18:44, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree, the News panel does need some revamps in what we put there. However, FPC's and (at least) SDS's are notable and fun to know about. Even though they might be on the Scratch front page doesn't mean we can't have it. I can understand though that FPC do get updated very frequently, every week, and might not be too notable.
Tomorrow I might add a bit of info to the news updating guidelines.
Update: I instead updated the News to include a somewhat recent update. That should act as a precedent.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:21, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree with ErnieParke. I think that it is fun to know new SDS's and new FPC's, but we should also add new news like as you said new Scratch Team Members.
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 15:03, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Maybe we could keep SDS news as it doesn't change too often, but maybe remove the FPC news, as users such as "thenextcurator" are becoming quite popular.
Bbciplayer (talk | contribs) 17:29, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Definitely agreed. FPCs change every week now, so it's going to simply clutter up the news box and make more important announcements disappear more quickly. Maybe you could add an option in the Preferences allowing you to enable and disable FPC and SDS announcements?
Srevilo (talk | contribs) 21:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
I think we should do a FPC update every two weeks. It should shows the next two upcoming FPCs, as well as the current one. I think we should keep SDS's and add some other news. Who agrees?
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 13:13, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Should We Move Content on the Computer Science to a New Article?

No Not done I realize now that when I wrote the Computer Science article a while back, I put in a lot about computer hardware, which is realistically a separate field. Do you think I should make a page on Computer Hardware? After all, it relates to Scratch, because you can't run Scratch if you have no hardware!
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 18:33, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

While I guess you're right in it relating to Scratch, it doesn't really relate in the sense of a geared-towards-children's block programming language xD I think that the materials listed in the article are very advanced for the younger, more popular age range in Scratch, and as such, should be more contained. While I completely agree it's great to have it, I think those topics should be less focused on and more together in one place. :) However, your topic covers a very wide range of information, so I do think a seperate article would be appropriate.
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs 

Wiki Cleanup

No Not done We haven't started it yet! I was thinking, some pages need to be simplified. Others are too simple. And there are more that need updating. The stubs. Also, a bunch of files need reverting/updating. I bet there is at least some vandalism on at least 1 page. I thought, let's clean up the Wiki! VoxBot might help, because we can ask it questions and they'll get answered. I was thinking call it "Wiki Cleanup." It would look like this:

when gf clicked
forever
if <the current page is a stub?> then
expand this page
end
if <the current page is too complicated?> then
simplify this page
end
if <the current page is too simple?> then
make this page slightly more complex//Notice that I said "complex," not "complicated." We would keep it easy to understand, but make it describe what it is about in more of detail.
end
if <the current page is unhelpful?> then
ask an admin to delete this page
end
if <the current page has been vandalized?> then
un-vandalize this page
end
if <the current page is a file?> then
if <the current file is outdated?> then
update this file
end
if <the current file needs to be reverted?> then
revert this file
end
end
end
Maybe we could do it every 2 months or something?


Mitopolis (talk | contribs) 16:14, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

We're sort of trying to do this all of the time, it just can be forgotten at times though. Thank you for the idea! Maybe it could be something we do regularly, sort of as a collective push. Maybe we could add some incentives?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't know what incentives are. I mainly got the idea from reading about Operation: Cleanups on the TBG article. Should we start it?
Mitopolis (talk | contribs) 16:35, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
This is a response to here and my talk page. Incentives are basically rewards to make people what to edit more. For example, you have to mow my lawn. The incentive is, if you mow my lawn today, I will give you five pieces of hand-made chocolate.
On second thought, I don't think we need a special event to be editing the Wiki. If people have time and want to edit, they will.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:01, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
The point is to help us find the problems. This would work because, during Wiki Cleanup, finding things to change could be our main focus.
-unsigned comment by Mitopolis (talk | contribs)
Should we start this? I really want some more opinions.
Popular GIF.gif Mitopolis (Talk | Contributions | Edits | Scratch account) 20:38, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
A better script would be
when gf clicked
repeat until <all of the pages are good enough to end cleanup for now?>
if <the current page is a stub?> then
expand this page
end
if <the current page is too complicated?> then
simplify this page
end
if <the current page is too simple?> then
make this page slightly more complex//Notice that I said "complex," not "complicated." We would keep it easy to understand, but make it describe what it is about in more of detail.
end
if <the current page is unhelpful?> then
if <I am an admin?> then
delete this page
else
ask an admin to delete this page
end
end
if <the current page has been vandalized?> then
undo the vandalism and notify the user who did it
end
if <the current page is a file?> then
if <the current file is outdated?> then
update this file
end
if <the current file needs to be reverted?> then
revert this file
end
end
next page
end

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Or even

when gf clicked
repeat until <all of the pages are good enough to end cleanup for now?>
if <the current page is a stub?> then
expand this page
end
if <the current page is too complicated?> then
simplify this page
end
if <the current page is too simple?> then
make this page slightly more complex//Notice that I said "complex," not "complicated." We would keep it easy to understand, but make it describe what it is about in more of detail.
end
if <the current page is unhelpful?> then
if <I am an admin?> then
delete this page
else
ask an admin to delete this page
end
end
if <the current page has been vandalized?> then
un-vandalize this page
end
if <the current page is a file?> then
if <the current file is outdated?> then
update this file
end
if <the current file needs to be reverted?> then
revert this file
end
end
next page
end

Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 17:15, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Huh. Something's weird. The script won't change.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 17:18, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Spanish Scratch Wiki + The Wiki Times

Hello fellow Wiki Editors, administrators, and Experienced Wikians! You may or may not know about the Spanish Scratch Wiki (which is currently on the Test Wiki) You can find a link to it here. We desperately need other users to help us out with the Spanish Scratch Wiki. If you speak Spanish or even better you are a native spanish speaker, please create an account on the Test Wiki either through here or through here. We would greatly appreciate any help we can get. If you know someone on Scratch that can either speak Spanish or is a native Spanish speaker please refer them to the Spanish Scratch Wiki and ask them if they would like to join and also tell them HOW to join. Any help and support would be greatly appreciated. If you have any questions, let me know! I should be pretty active these next two weeks because I am on spring break!

If you'd like to be a reporter for the Wiki Times, we will be releasing our next newspaper on Friday. If you'd like to join please go here. Scratch On!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 15:54, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

The international Scratch Wikis need your help

Scratch-wiki-FAQ logo.png

Every author of the English Scratch Wiki is welcomed to help as an "International Scratch Wiki Coach" even without knowing other languages, because for motivating, coaching and teaching English works very well. It's also interesting for making international contacts and doing good deeds in a globalized world. :-)

We have been quite successful with starting wikis of other languages as you can see here:

But because there is so much work left to do, we urgently need wiki-authors who can help. Some of the international authors are very productive but most of them do not know much about working at a wiki and will loose faith when working there alone. It would be helpful, if everybody of the active international wikians would have a guide to help and motivate him: So feel free to go to their Scratch-User profile and start a conversation like:

You did start editing the <one language> Scratch-Wiki at <http://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Fr:Scratch_Wiki_Accueil> Wouldn't you like to continue? I am an author of the English Scratch Wiki and would like to help you build up your Scratch Wiki by showing you how wiki-things like templates, categories, cp, discussion and so on work at the English wiki, so you can start doing it in your language.

What do you think?"

Also there is lots of organizational work left to be done, see:

At the moment it seems to me that only user:LiFaytheGoblin, user:ErnieParke and I are caring regularly for the international wiki community. We meet in an online hangout called "International Scratch Club" every Monday at 9:00 p.m (German time, I think's that's 15:00 (or 3:00 PM) at the east cost, see de:Scratch-Wiki:Scratch_Club the orange entries there are the English agendas/protocols (blue ones are German)): We would be happy if experienced scratch-wikians would join and help. You can request an account at http://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:RequestAccount, only mention you want to help and give a link to your existing wiki-account. We hope many of you will join, or start caring again if they already joined. Thank you in advance!
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 13:50, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I'll hopefully get a german wiki account at some point :). That's my only way that I can help
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 18:53, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
AGAIN! Whenever someone mentions the thing I'm like. WHY MUST I GET HOME AT 4;30 FROM SCHOOL!!!! But i might want to help out! I've been getting bored!
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 20:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
The main reason why people aren't joining the hangout is because of timezone issues. If it could be moved to a weekend, that would be great :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:05, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi Martin. I agree with KrIsMa, I haven't been able to attend Scratch Club before because of my timezone. It's rather early in the morning for me. Anyway, I requested an account on the test wiki, I hope I can be of use there ;)
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 08:27, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
@All: The most important thing is not to join the online-hangout we have, but to help the international wikis ;-) Nevertheless I would be happy to meet you online in our Scratch-Club voice chat (we used skype, google hangout and currently teamspeak) so I suggest to make at least one weekend-date for the first and than see how we could solve the timezone issues. I suggest next Sunday. Does that fit and what time would would be good fore you? (please not middle of the night ;-)
@ErnieParke: Could you also join us?
@Hamish: Creating an account: Great! That's what I hoped some people would do...but I cant't see your account request (http://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:RequestAccount) nor do I see your username at the verification project. Until now the account request system, user:jvvg installed for us, worked...Can you please try again?

MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 15:47, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Sunday is bad for me. I have church.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 19:36, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

@Programmer1121:

Do you have church all day long?

@MartinWollenweber:

Yes, I can make it, assuming it's not 10-11 AM Saturday.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:38, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

@Martin Ah, sorry about that. I clicked submit, but I forgot to comment on the verification project. It should be submitted now ;)
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 00:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Seems ok:) But, what time on Sunday is it?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:23, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Because nobody made a suggestion the community could agree upon, I sufggest if anybody writes "yes I will be there" below, I will be online at google hangout tomorrow Sunday at 8:00 pm German time as a test. My google-name ist "mtwoll" you can write me at mtwoll [ät] gmail [dot] com in case of problems.
@Hamish: I confirmed your account, see: http://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User:Hamish752

MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 16:59, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
2:00 MIT Time I think. That should be fine. Maybe. Where is the thing? And I'll request an account when I get on the computer.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 17:47, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
The meeting will be on Google Hangouts. You need a Google account for that, after which you can go here ( https://hangouts.google.com ) and call Mtwoll to join.
@Programmer1121: Yes, it is 2 PM EST.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:33, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
It's happening right now!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:17, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I'd love to join the hangout, but if I did, I would be telling my real name, and I'm not really comfortable doing that...
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions
Ugh! I missed it! Although, what I did do was eat ribs so... But anyway, I don't have a google account. And my brother wouldn't like it if I used his.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 20:14, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's okay if you can't come due to commitments or lack of parent approval. You can still help inspire international wiki editors.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:12, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Next date for Monthly Online Meeting: Sunday 5. June 2016 at 20:00 MET

I think we had a good online meeting yesterday with user:LiFaytheGoblin, user:KrIsMa, user:St19_galla, user:ErnieParke. Thank you all for joining. We decided to have an Online Meeting about the International Scratch Wiki every first Sunday of the week at 8:00pm. So next meeting will take place at Sunday the 5. of June 2016. Comments?
But again: It's not nessecairy to join the online Eeting to help the international scratch wikis and you don't need to know a foreign language to help there with coaching.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 19:36, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Who want's to take part?
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 05:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

WM is back online!

Although my networking issues still persist and I still have to use a proxy to access the Wiki, I was able to run WikiMonitor through a proxy as well and it is back online. Everything should work as it did before, just beware that it is slightly slower than before due to the proxy.

That being said, please do not make edits designed to trip WM. If I need to test anything, I will.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:24, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Awesome!
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 08:16, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Overuse of Not Done template?

Yes Done

I think that people are overusing the Not Done template to 'pin/feature' their post so almost through every archive everyone will see it, meaning that the archive of the current posts doesn't wipe out all of the conversations. So after time everyone will use the Not Done template and the archive wipe means nothing to us then. If people were to actually change it to Yes Done when they actually had finished their post - I wouldn't be saying this.
Golden-scratch (talk | contribs) 12:51, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

I think we already have a solution for that problem: Every old thread that is "not done" can be removed from the CP by coping it to S:CPND and only put it's Header to #Not done. That solution was created, after multiple times threads that were important but needed a lot of time, have been archived wrongly.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 16:49, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

New FPC

Purplemoondust will FPC tomorrow, so can someone add her? Thanks!
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions19:00, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

We generally wait until they actually become FPC...
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 22:28, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I know, but since we're always so late, I wanted to ask before she started her shift so it wouldn't be as late.
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions

Scratchblocks Extension (Possible) Update

Over the past several of days, I have been working in collaboration with blob8108 (link) to update the Scratch Wiki Scratchblocks plugin. It will bring the plugin up to the same level as the plugin in the Scratch forums, and also add a few new features. As blob8108 said: "Angled booleans, nicer rendering, lots of fixes, better translation support, etc etc..."

Once the plugin is polished and finished, I will test it out on the international Scratch Wikis. If that works, I will check with the ST if it is acceptable to update the English wiki's plugin.

As heads up, I believe this will break a few blocks that switch a block's type. Thankfully, most of those will be in List of Block Workarounds.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:40, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Great! I'm very thankful for the work you and blob8108 did and the international scratch wikis specially hu: alteady profit from the pre stage of your work. Thanks!!!
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 13:49, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Awesome! When it's done, I'll close that topic suggesting the update
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 16:01, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi dudes! v3.1 of scratchblocks is now released, much joy. ErnieParke has finished up the wiki plugin update too. I suggest you politely ask scmb1 or rschamp or some other appropriate ST member to pull in the new wiki plugin.

@ErnieParke probably a good idea if you put together a quick message saying what they need to do to update it.

Also, you guys should totally update the wiki page with all the new stuff.
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 18:34, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Great news!
@Ernie: When will you test it at the international wikis?
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 07:10, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
We can do tomorrow, if that is okay with you. :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
yes :-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 03:01, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
works? example: http://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User:Mtwoll/s2
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 14:11, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Happy Scratch Day 2016!

Happy Scratch Day!!
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 16:44, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Happy late Scratch Day!! :D
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 12:19, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Totally forgot about that.
PPL Icon.gif ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 17:17, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

New curator thing is wrong

Yes Done
You do realize that numbers spelt out are meant to have and before the last word. e.g. two-hundred-and-first

Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 08:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

I checked and you are right. It is fixed.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:19, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Awesome!
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 18:18, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Remove t template?

No Not done I personally think this template is workaroundable. For example {{NotUseful}} could replace {{NotUseful}}. In fact, they're both identical if you look {{NotUseful}} comes out as {{NotUseful}} and {{NotUseful}} comes out as {{NotUseful}}.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 07:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes, both approaches are almost identical. At the same time, approach #2 is quicker to type. I believe a few Scratchers prefer it too.
Overall, I see no major benefits to either method, so it would be best to leave this to user preference.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:04, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Good point.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 07:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Glitch with the images

I've discovered that some files have swapped images making them totally different. I've noticed that in Category:Users' Images.
PPL Icon.gif ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 12:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean?
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions13:16, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday for June

Hi everyone! Another successful Wiki Wednesday has rolled around, and it was a success too! To be honest, it's nice to think how WW lets us become more connected to the main website. In fact, since WW started, we seem to get many more account requests here at the Scratch wiki.

It is now time to pick our next Wiki Wednesday article. Suggestions are appreciated! I actually posted this a bit late, so we will be making a decision in two days.

p.s.: Unfortunately, I forgot to collect the page view statistics for April so I can't give any stats on how well April's WW went.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

What about List of Block Workarounds?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 17:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
What about Frequently Asked Questions?
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 00:26, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
How about Cloud Variables
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:51, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
I propose Custom Blocks!
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 01:32, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
I talked with LiFay, and because of an upcoming Scratch event, we decided it would be best to feature Scratch in the Media for this month. However, that was on the condition that we merge Cartoon Network into the article.
Keep these suggestions in mind for the next WW! They look good. :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 03:00, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Where's May's?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 15:24, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The discussion for May's WW is in the last CP archive. Link
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:13, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Hey everyone! I didn't put the english article in the forum post last wednesday since it wasn't ready yet. Do you think I should add it now or next month? -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 10:54, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
@LiFaytheGoblin Maybe we could use one of the suggestions for this discussion
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 18:29, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
@everyone: Out of curiosity, since this discussion is for the current WW, would it make more sense to call it May's WW or June's WW?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 14:01, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
June's should do.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 19:05, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Okay, good to know!
By the way, I contacted LiFay, and she says she will edit the WW thread to include the English WW tomorrow. Thank you LiFay!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:50, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
The link is broken.
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 01:53, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

New-ish FPC

Sorry that this is so late, but -Ravindra- is FPC... can someone add her? Thanks :3
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions18:27, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

If you check S:NEWS, -Ravindra- is already there. I don't see what the problem is? ;)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
She wasn't there when I posted this (I'm positive she wasn't there, because I checked before I posted here)... :P
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions00:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
I was just poking in some fun. ;)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:12, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Wish List for our international Scratch Wikis

I started to write a wish list for our international scratch wikis. I am happy about everyone who helps to make some of the wishes come true step by step (I know that some of them will take years, but every long way starts with the first step ;-). See Details at the community portal of the Test Wiki:


MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 13:16, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Fun fact

If I'm getting this data right, we have created about 670 accounts and processed about 2000 requests since the account request system was implemented (to get the amount of accounts I just looked at the first account I could find with the welcome message and for the amount of requests, I looked at the latest request id).

This means that we accept about 27% of the account requests here. Any thoughts?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:27, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Wow, that's a small percentage. We should teach our kids how to type a proper request.
PPL Icon.gif ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 04:15, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Wow. xD
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 08:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Wow.. Do some people make fake requests with random stuff in it, or do they just make really bad (but still serious) requests?
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 12:57, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
If you want to see the particularly bad Wiki account requests we get, check out our Tumblr blog. About half of the requests that we reject end up on that blog, and the other half are ones that don't have egregious flaws but still miss important parts of S:CONTRIB.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:19, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
I know, let's teach kids to type, by creating a wiki page on proper wiki account requests, oh wait, WE HAVE ONE!

-unsigned comment by Programmer1121 (talk | contribs)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The best part is that I always get a few people who submit requests of the quality that go on the Tumblr blog who get a rejection message (the rejection message is "Your Scratch Wiki account request was rejected because you did not read http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/S:CONTRIB prior to submitting your request.") and then tell me that they did read the page. I guess they figure that I don't actually check if the followed the instructions on it. Some of these people who protest the rejections are people who say stuff that doesn't even remotely follow the instructions are submitted by people whose accounts don't meet the criteria.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:06, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Are they allowed to reapply?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 11:29, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
I read that they could I think... But probably if they mature.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 13:57, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
I just started cracking up while reading that Tumblr blog... those hashtags are hilarious xD
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 15:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
@Makethebrainhappy: They can reapply after about two weeks. @Pianogirl84: Thanks. I have fun coming up with those. My favorite was when someone said something like "It is my dream to join the Scratch Wiki", and mathfreak231 hashtagged it "#keep dreaming".
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:50, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Those hash-tags are funny, but my favorite ones are the ones that are longs but say random things.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 17:52, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
I love the request notes saying "lol" and I like the hashtag note saying "lolbac" xD
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 07:55, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
The keep dreaming one is very mean
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 18:45, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

New featured images

We haven't updated the featured images in quite some time, so now it's time to pick some new ones. I already picked one, but there are two more spots open for community input. If you have any suggestions, please suggest an image. Around this time tomorrow, we will pick the two we think would be the best suited for the front page.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:49, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

What about that gif of the scratch cat running :P. Another suggestion would be the new video feature in action. How about an elaborate art piece by a community member? Those are my suggestions
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:08, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately, due to the lack of responses, I had to pick some myself.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:28, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect Dates

Hey, guys! So, I saw the Scratch news on the Wiki Home Page, and it says that Pepeatan_Gaming became FPC on May 23rd, but this date is incorrect. I believe it is supposed to say May 30th. Thanks for reading this!


Randomperson100 (talk | contribs) 21:50, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

My bad. I fixed it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:33, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

International Scratchclub Meeting

Hi everyone! The international Scratchclub meeting is a meeting between various international wiki editors to discuss the wikis and Scratch in general. Normally we have meetings on Monday, but we will be having one this upcoming Sunday for those who want to come. It is at 2PM EDT, and will take place on TeamSpeak. The server name is server-9.mnsrv.de:8058. Feel free to grab a bag of chips and join! :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 03:05, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Ho0w do you get on?
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 17:47, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Download TeamSpeak here: https://www.teamspeak.com/downloads and once its downloaded, there will be a button that says 'Connections'. Click it and type in server-9.mnsrv.de:8058 under the server name :)
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  17:55, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Just saying the server address changed. I will post an update version when we get our next Sunday interwiki club.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:07, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Help page?

Yes Done
Maybe we could create something like Help:Archiving a talk page? What are your thoughts about this?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 08:26, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I think its a good idea could create something like that, or we could create something that helps people with creating a userspace, and have that as a section. There is a Userpage Shop run by Metropolis perhaps they would be interested in helping. I think it would be a good idea theres not many people who do archive talk pages it might be good to help out.
What do you think about the Help:Making A Userpage idea?

Minerman6 Signature Image.png (Minerman6) (Talk) (Contributions) (Userpages) (Scratch Profile)

The userspace thing really wouldn't have any steps since you can put what you want in your userspace, but there are two methods on archiving a talk page.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 09:14, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
I understand that you can put what you want in your userspace. I was thinking along the lines of making tables and buttons, like the friend request button, or the leave a message button. The userpage shop has some examples of these. I think that archiving a talk page is a good idea, but I also feel like the ones that i have suggested are also useful. I think that both articles would work well as one article but if you want to make that article, then I would offer any help I can, although I have not actually got any talk page archives myself, if you would like my help then I offer my full support but consider the other sections I have stated.
Minerman6 (talk | contribs) 09:23, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Should we start to make it then? we could work on it together, and that way it will get done quicker and be more accurate, is that something you would be willing to do?
I made the page actually, but you could help make it better.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 19:12, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Advertising

Hi, I have started a shop on Scratch, and I use the sandbox for writing down upcoming projects and planing what I am going to do on Scratch. In my sandbox I have a list of projects that I am making for the shop, if I was to write a to-do list and upcoming projects here, and link that to the shop would it count as advertising?
Minerman6 (talk | contribs) 16:51, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

As long as all the links are only in your sandbox or your user space that should be fine! :)
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  17:59, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
thanks
Minerman6 (talk | contribs) 18:52, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes Done

A suggestion for the home page

Maybe instead of saying "The Scratch Wiki" in the bottom left corner, it could say "About the Scratch Wiki" or "What is the Scratch Wiki?" since it's really just telling more about the Wiki.. Just an idea :P
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 20:10, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Please set your emails

The email system is back up. This means that everyone who doesn't have an email address or hasn't confirmed their address needs to do so. Please go to Special:Preferences and look at the bottom in the "Email" box. Next to "Email confirmation", if it doesn't say "Your email address was confirmed on some date" then please set your email and confirm it. This is necessary in case you forget your password. Even if you don't think you'll forget your password, there's always the chance you will, and it seriously takes thirty seconds to set your email.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:38, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Understood!
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 23:25, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
True story: forgot my password for an account once, was glad I didn't set some stupid e-mail like "thisisastupidemailthatdoesntgetcheckedanyways@example.com". Learn from me, set your emails.
Tymewalk (talk | contribs) 01:09, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Time To Update

There is a new Scratch Design Studio, "In The Spotlight". It hasn't been put into "Current Events" yet.
Abstract- (talk | contribs) 16:56, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes Done
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  15:08, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

New template?

No Not done
Why don't we have a template that says "This article would normally break the Scratch Wiki's guidelines. However, an exception has been made for it because" and then the reason? What do you think about this?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 18:49, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I might support this.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 22:26, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
What articles would use this template?
Tymewalk (talk | contribs) 01:09, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
@Tymewalk ones that would normally break the wiki guidelines like Kaj or removed pacman project
-unsigned comment by banana439monkey (talk | contribs)
generally we would like templates to be relevant to the readers instead of wiki editors. in this case, it doesn't relate to readers so I don't think it should be a template
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:54, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Ah, but why is it used on pages?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 15:50, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
It was put in as a pilot test, but the rest of the Wiki community never strongly approved it. We have just been too lazy to remove them.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:07, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
But then someone could request for the page to be deleted with the reason "This goes against the guidelines" - Without that template, we'll probably have a lack of pages.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 06:40, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── All of those pages are either obviously very important to Scratch history/culture and/or have had significant discussion first, so the EWs and admins will be aware of the situation anyway. Remember that we do read talk pages before deleting pages and don't automatically delete everything marked for deletion with a reason that looks valid.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:36, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Echo Extension

What are people's thoughts on installing the Echo Extension here on the wiki? I think this was discussed briefly a while back somewhere but I'd like to bring it up again. The main feature of Echo is the ability to ping other users by linking to their username, which then sends them a notification. Each user can customize it in their preferences to change what they get notified for. For example, you can get a notification when one of your edits is reverted, or when someone links to a page that you created. In addition, we could also install the thanks extension to go with it, which allows you to thank users for their edits. Thoughts?
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 06:07, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

This has actually been suggested before (also here), however the discussion was eventually dropped and a conclusion was never really reached. As I did at the time, I still support installing that extension. The only real concern I saw about that extension was that it would make the Wiki a popularity contest. However, talk pages already have that potential and I don't see people obsessing over how many messages they get on their talk pages.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:41, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
It actually sounds nice. Yes some might use the wiki as social media, but they still have to get through the request notes! I mean, I'm only active here on the CP right now, but it MIGHT be helpful. Or maybe not. I see two sides. Yes it would be helpful, but it also might have people make the Wiki like a social networking site. So I'm undecided. But I AM leaning towards yes.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 15:30, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
I personally would like to see this implemented. It could be quite useful. I don't see the popularity factor as a huge concern as most of our contributors are pretty mature, and as Programmer1121 said, if you can make it through the request notes than you really do want to be a wiki contributor (we are very thorough when accepting applications for those who do not know :P)
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  16:12, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
@jvvg: Yeah, I knew it had been discussed somewhere, thanks for the link.
@Programmer and Galla: Yeah, that's a good point! About people using it as social media: I agree, we already kind-of have this in the form of talk pages, but this isn't even that bad, as no one can see your notifications. It's pretty much like notifications on the Scratch main site.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 22:32, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
I agree.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 07:09, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
I tested out the extension on my test server, and I have two important things to say: 1. You are only notified if someone links to your userpage in a message that is signed with 4 tildes. 2. The notifications will only show up as an entry in the user menu (where you can access your talk page, watchlist, preferences, etc.) and just show up as a number showing the amount of notifications you have (it will just say "0", "1", etc. as an entry in that menu). If we want to change this to say "n notifications" to make it more human-readable, we can do that, but that will require slightly modifying the code. If we want the notifications to be even more obvious (like talk page notifications), then we will also need to modify the skin. This all can be done, but I want everybody to be aware.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:41, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

New FPC

@Glitter15 is FPC, she started her shift a little bit ago!
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 21:05, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes Done
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 22:33, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
The date in the news says June 15, not June 13th.
ItchyCatIII (talk | contribs) 03:50, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, I've fixed it. I suppose that teaches me not to update the news early in the morning...
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 05:46, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Why were you awake so early in the morning, though? XD
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 18:26, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Well it most people wouldn't consider 8am all that early, but let's just say that I'm not a morning person...
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 07:05, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Woke up at 11:30, me neither.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 17:22, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Notice about replacing content on AF pages

Just as a general notice to everybody, on the April Fools' pages (at User:Jvvg/AF), when writing, please try to use original ideas. This means trying to minimize repeating themes between articles that aren't directly related to Scratch (stuff like energy units or the Scratch Team being a group of cats is directly related to Scratch, so it's worth keeping that for consistency). Also, when writing, if there is a theme that was in place for the April Fools' day this year (look at the edit history to see), you are welcome to replace it with a new theme in order to cycle the humor.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:11, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for settling the dispute! Should existing jokes which don't relate to Scratch be removed?
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 01:24, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Again, huge thanks. I've also talked to PPL on her Scratch profile about agreeing to the same thing (or at least something virtually identical) on the TBGs as well, so that the entire situation between us can be declared over once and for all. Huge thanks. Accepting tolerance and embracing diversity is exactly what both of us needed. Thank you!
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 01:38, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
@Chibi-Matoran: A few jokes such jokes are nice, but having a lot would make the article seem less like an article.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! I shall commence the desonicification and dekerbalfication.
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 01:56, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Okay then. I feel that it would be best to start anew and act as if this entire thing has never happened.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 02:04, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
@Chibi-Matoran: Your goal should not just be removal of Sonic or Kerbals. The whole point here was to encourage cycling new ideas, not just removing old ones. We want this to remain peaceful and as non-personal as possible, so please only replace stuff as you come up with new ideas, and put your ideas on the "articles" for which you think they are the most applicable, regardless of what's already there.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:10, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
That could be a better idea. Alternatively, we could just start anew and see what happens. I'm not against that. It would be a way to start fresh with new possible ideas instead of being locked into our old ones. I want to embrace diversity and variety as you said, so why not start on a blank sheet and see what comes to mind?
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 02:12, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Going forward, everyone is welcome to completely rewrite something that was there on this April Fools' day, since it was already seen.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:21, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Okay. ;-). It's getting a bit late here anyways, so maybe on the weekend.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 02:25, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm FPC!

Can someone add it to the news? Thanks :D
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions

I will once you show up on the front page. Congrats!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:26, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
It should show up now. Thanks!
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions
Congratulations Pianogirl84! :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:20, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Congrats are in order ;)
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 08:05, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! :) Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 21:39, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday: July

It's time for another Wiki Wednesday! Last month we featured Scratch in the Media because of the CN + Scratch collaboration that is currently happening. Because of that, we ignored some suggestions. If I am correct, last month we suggested List of Block Workarounds, Frequently Asked Questions, Cloud Variables, and Custom Blocks. This month we can choose what we want. What are our preferences or new ideas?

On that note, I just realized we need to update Scratch in the Media.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:13, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

We should do Frequently Asked Questions
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 21:17, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Didn't we already do Variable? :P I just think it would be weird to do the Variable and Cloud Variable article...
Anyways, I think Custom Blocks would be a great article to feature!
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions
I like the sound of using Custom Blocks.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 22:22, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Maybe List of Block Workarounds
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 16:05, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
How about the wiki guidelines :P. That might help some people around here....
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 13:53, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Oh, that would be nice. ;)
Anyways, for this WW, we decided to pick Custom Blocks as per community suggestion. It is a neat and useful programming feature.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 14:21, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Use a gender neutral pronoun?

It says "congratulate on his/her profile", but perhaps it would be better to substitute "his/her" for "their", in case the person featured does not identify with the gender binary.

Not sure though...
Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 21:50, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

The problem is that "their" tends to seem gramatically awkward. However, I do still support inclusivity, so I want to see what everybody else thinks. (A note before you post though: we aim to be inclusive to everybody, so don't post anything rude or offensive. Seriously.)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:32, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
How about "this person's profile" (although it is a bit wordy)
Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 22:57, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
That could work. What does everyone else think?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:03, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
That sounds good. It sounds smoother then "his/her".
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:01, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
I do not like to use he/she, him/her or /his/her because they are awkward and binarize gender. I respect correct grammar, but I believe that equality and ethics are more important, and that grammar rules change with society. After all, in the past, male pronouns were used when gender was unknown, but this is now considered sexist. I believe that "their" should be used.

Also, do you know if any existing curators are nonbinary?
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 00:59, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Not that I'm aware of, but we can't count on curators to self-identify.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 01:03, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
I once brought this up, yet support!
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 17:54, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Even though I'm not around much, I want to say that I support using "their", which is perfectly grammatical and has been for hundreds of years. Also, for what it's worth, although I haven't been curator, I am nonbinary and use they/them pronouns in addition to she/her (despite my username that I'm stuck with -_-), and I don't think it's unreasonable to guess that other Scratchers who might be curator could as well. "Their" is all-inclusive, and therefore should be used. Just my two cents.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 02:11, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
I agree with veggie here. "They" is perfectly acceptable.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 12:00, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Looks like it got implemented? Thanks :)
Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 13:06, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Can EW's Edit The Scratch News?

I know admins can, but how about the EW's? Also can they edit the featured image and article? --
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 12:21, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

We can edit the news but we cannot edit the featured images/article :)
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  16:10, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Fixed that now. :)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 12:02, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Sci, although tbh they aren't edited all that often.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 22:19, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Uh oh...

The logos aren't showing again. Special:Requestaccount still works though
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 17:52, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like the request account page also isn't working. I'll put up a notice, I guess. The last time this happened, I remember it took 2 or 3 days to fix. Hopefully it won't take longer this time.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:03, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Huh? It works here.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 18:04, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
For me, it said API access failed. Keep in mind that it only shows the first error triggered, and checking the API for comments is after most of the other ones that may be triggered (like bad password, invalid username, etc.).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:06, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Hey, that's what I came here to say! XD
anyways... It happens to some logos on the FP (on the main site) too, is that related to it?
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions
I doubt that they're related, since the problem here is that the Wiki server is unable of communicating with the Scratch server, while the Scratch server is still clearly capable of communicating with itself.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:18, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes. The problems on the site have been around for longer than this issue.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 06:31, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

New FPC!

-Sagaciousdragon- is FPC!
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions

Yes Done
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:51, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Update on sigs and account requests

I emailed scmb1 earlier about the fact that HTTP requests are failing and thus preventing ScratchSigs from working and preventing the account request system from checking the project comments. This was the response I got:

Thanks for letting me know. I let the sys admin know-- he'll look into it.

– scmb1

Hopefully the issue will be resolved soon, and I will keep everybody posted with any further updates.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:28, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Yay. I look forward for them to working again!
DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 19:48, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I emailed scmb1 last night asking if there are any status updates, and this was the response:

Hi! The sys admin's been very busy this week, but he's taking a look tonight.

– scmb1

I received this message this morning, so hopefully this means we'll be back in business tomorrow.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:45, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

I just received a message from the sysadmin asking me for details on the problem and responded explaining the situation.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:15, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I haven't received any updates from the sysadmin, but I did set up a temporary off-site account request system that we will be using until the issue is resolved.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:33, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Our apologizes! It looks like your email went in his spam folder-- we just found it
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 20:46, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Looks like everything seems to be working again :) Thanks scmb1! Now time to update the account request page....
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  22:37, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Woot!
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 13:35, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Minor edit to Scratch Wiki Front/Homepage

Change "There are also other, smaller wikis." to "There are also other smaller wikis." It just flows better, y'know?
ProgrammingChicken (talk | contribs) 22:52, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Interesting! I changed it, but I wonder if you add the comma or not.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:15, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I believe that the new version could imply that this wiki is small.
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 23:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Chibi here. I think the new version implies that this wiki is small as well. Also, I think that sentence is used with coordinate adjectives, which is where each adjective modifies the noun that follows separately. 'Other' and 'smaller' each modify the noun 'wikis' separately so they need a comma. I'm not sure that this is the case here, but I *think* that's what it is :P
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  00:12, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Never good at grammar :P Anyways, changed back. Thanks!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:14, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Minor News Change

So, I noticed that on the news on the homepage, for front page curator, it says him/her. I was thinking that if a non-binary person got chosen for FPC, they wouldn't be accurately described by him/her. A simple fix would be to change the language to they. It would be simple and easy, as well as improve the level of support for LGBT+ Scratchers.
KathrynJaneway (talk | contribs) 15:03, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

This was already suggested, and we did implement that suggestion. The two most recent curator announcements do say "their profile", and we just didn't change the existing ones since nobody complained about those specifically (we will change them if the respective curator asks us to).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:08, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Whoops, didn't see that! But thanks.
KathrynJaneway (talk | contribs) 16:57, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm going to be out starting Saturday

Starting Saturday (the 9th), I'm going to be out until the end of the month. This means that WM will not be operating while I'm gone, and if you have any issues, please contact one of the other EWs/admins. I hope everyone is having a good summer!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:30, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Ah, okay, thanks for the heads up jvvg! Have a nice break, (hopefully) we can cope without you ;).
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 11:10, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Hope you have a nice rest of July.


DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 11:40, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Explore link

The explore link at the top of the page doesn't work anymore, and I think it's because the explore page url has changed with the new update. Can admins fix this, or is it a problem with the main site? >_<
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions

Huh, strange, you're right. As far as I can tell the header isn't controlled by the MediaWiki namespace, so no, admins won't be able to fix this. I'll have to make a pull request on GitHub and let Scmb1 know.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 07:40, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi I get the following error message. Is this the same for everyone.

Code: AccessDenied Message: Access Denied RequestId: 03A9AF3F6989B1A8 HostId: mi/Jz9SlPRA7yFAD29crwckIoaHG+TfyY2MEMDLe/lRd8jE3keEdgxjwIP2X/tnKpnoRgJCOfm0=
Minerman6 (talk | contribs) 09:26, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

@Hamish752-Oh, okay. I don't have a GitHub account, so I probably won't be able to help with anything else :P
@Minerman6-That's the same error message I get.
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions
Hi y'all- thanks Hammish! Your change should be in this afternoon :)
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 13:37, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Or... perhaps tomorrow-- sorry for the delay
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 20:57, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
It's okay! The same thing happens with the scratch-www Github repo.
By the way, this is super minor, but I just wanted to note that I also opened a PR to switch link protocols to http to https. ;)
P.S. Do you mind if I mention PR's here, or am I being super antsy? I feel I am.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:21, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

New FPC!

-IcyMango- started as FPC yesterday! You should probably add this to the Scratch News.


Randomperson100 (talk | contribs) 21:50, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Got it!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:11, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Account request Tumblr

Hi all! I recently learned of the Bad Scratch Wiki Account Request Notes tumblr. It concerns me for a few reasons. Making fun of Scratchers, even those who did not follow instructions, is not really in the spirit of the Scratch community. Scratch welcomes people of all ages (as young as eight years old) and backgrounds (non-English speakers) -- and making fun of these folks’ grammar seems pretty unkind. In addition, the blog makes the Scratch wiki feel quite unwelcoming. Although it makes sense to me to require account applications and limit who can edit the wiki, I’d rather we tried harder to cultivate a spirit of inclusion rather than making the wiki feel like an exclusive “club” that you have to be cool enough to join.

I’m wondering what your thoughts are on this. I’m hoping that you’ll refrain from talking about this blog on the Scratch website, where it might discourage folks from applying to the wiki or, worse, where Scratchers who wrote the applications may see that they are being made fun of. I’m also hoping that you’ll consider making the blog private (or shutting it down), but obviously it’s up to you what you do off of the Scratch website. But I hope you’ll keep in mind that, as wiki editors (and admins), you’re leaders in the Scratch community.
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 22:04, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, it would be nice to shut down the blog. It does feel like it is picking on Scratchers, and although it may seem fun to look through bad request notes, it's definitely not promoting an inclusive atmosphere.
Edit: Scmb1, I found this post in a CP archive. You might be interested: link
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:22, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks- that's useful :)
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 22:39, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi Scmb1. Thanks for bringing up these concerns. I agree that the blog could very well be seen as making fun of Scratchers. I can't think of any time when anyone was actually offended by the site, but it's certainly a plausible scenario. Perhaps shutting it down would be the best course of action to take here.
Also, speaking of inclusion, I almost feel like it would be a good idea to completely remove the account request system and let anyone edit the Wiki. I can't even think of how many valuable contributors we would've lost over the years just because they didn't read S:CONTRIB. That's another issue though...
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 23:01, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Opening the Wiki up to anyone would itself cause problems. Mainly, we wouldn't have accountability. The wiki would be open to vandals, spammers, and advertisers. That would not be good. I remember the original Scratch Wiki was very advertise-y, and less of a Wiki. Also, the ST is sensitive about athe content of the Wiki. It was hard enough getting WW approved as is.
At the same time, I do agree making the Wiki more open would be nice. There are some people who want to contribute and make the Wiki better, but are rejected.
Anywho, I feel this should be in it's own topic. Hamish752, would you like to make that? :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:18, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I support the removal of the blog. When I first saw it, I felt uncomfortable, as it came dangerously close to naming and shaming, but since usernames were censored and it was endorsed/run by reputable members, I figured that it was acceptable, and didn't say anything. I wish I had.
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 01:03, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I agree that the Tumblr should be shut down. However, to Hamish's point, I disagree with getting rid of the wiki request system. If we let just anyone be a contributor it would be chaos. While the Tumblr is making fun of certain requests, some of them are really that bad, and letting them on the Wiki would not be good. Alternatively, I think that we (EWs and admins) should be less rejecting and that being the end of it and more rejecting and helping a bit more on how to be accepted later on. :)
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  02:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Great to hear all of your thoughts! To St19galla and Hamish's points, I do wonder if now would be a time to think through the account application and acceptance process to see if we can increase the rate of acceptance. For instance, on Scratch, we usually find that Scratchers understand and follow guidelines when we make them short and clear (like the community guidelines)-- maybe we can work on the Scratch Wiki: Become a Contributers page. Anyway, maybe these are thoughts for another thread!
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 17:31, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
I agree. Posting a poor thing someone created publicly and making fun of it is harmful. However, we can cool down the editing guidelines so users know what to do without getting slapped on.
PPL Icon.gif ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 14:05, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
I have internet pretty infrequently at the moment, but I will no longer post anything new on that blog. The blog actually isn't owned by me (it's owned by mathfreak231), meaning I personally can't remove it, but I think that a quick email to mathfreak231 will probably be able to get it deleted. Once I get home to an internet connection I have more frequent access to, I will ask mathfreak231 to delete it. (Note: if you respond to me, don't expect me to get it until at least the 25th).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:18, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
I sent the email for you :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:59, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
I password-protected the blog; that was the only way i could make it "private" as KrIsMa advised. It will be deleted soon, but I might back up the content somewhere if jvvg wants to keep some for the lulz. Thankfully I got the email and took action asap
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 19:53, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Account Acceptance

Allow anyone to edit the Scratch Wiki would hurt it, not help it. On the Scratch forums, I witness users who are unable to follow the rules or write posts in a logical manner. On the main Scratch site, many users gossip and bicker, spreading drama about arguments and bullying. If anyone could edit the wiki, similar behavior would occur here, and article quality would severely decrease. For example, Scratchers might try to make articles about their own projects, or slander other users.
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 19:34, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Keep in mind that we only have the request notes as evidence on rejecting or accepting; we can't do an entire background check on someone. We can't remove the request system either. Making guidelines shorter will work in helping people read it, but most people aren't really clicking on the link to read the guidelines. It may not make a big difference.
I agree with shutting it down (or if it really is desired, making it private. I know it took a while to build.)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:15, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
The reason I see behind making people read the page carefully is to provide an initial test to join the Wiki. The most important part of the Wiki is following instructions, so the first test should be to make sure that users can follow the instructions. That's why we have the current S:CONTRIB system. I do not support making Wiki registration open, as that would open it to vandalism, and I also don't want to see a lot of junk accounts with people just posting links to their projects or anything like that. However, if people want to rethink the requirements we use on S:CONTRIB, I would be open to that and I think the other EWs and admins would be too. If anyone has any ideas about that, please post them.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:18, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Maybe we could have more traps, like more, "Post ___ in your request notes" to see if they read the page thoroughly. And maybe be a bit more clear on what the request was rejected for.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 23:08, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
1. No support - already exists 2. Support
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 06:43, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
In all honest the system is fine. We only want people who can help contribute positively to this community, which many scratchers are unable to do. Either we keep things the way they are or we add more requirements such "Point to three articles you would edit on your very first day" or something like that. I would also put consideration on an age requirement, although I know this probably won't receive a lot of support :P. We want people who can edit a wiki. Personally I have done much less than I would like on the wiki, but I've never really hurt its quality. If we make restrictions easier it's quality could easily go down by people who don't even know there doing it or how to fix it. People can reapply anyway :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 12:19, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
There's never a perfect balance everyone agrees on - it just isn't possible. Discussion is great, so please keep suggesting!
I think we are already clear on how we reject our requests. Most commonly, the comment that people get very angry about because it is not clear is when they get "...because you have not read S:CONTRIB". Unfortunately, there are criteria listed on that page for what to include in your request and what is not; a lack of a lot of the criteria would indicate a lack of through reading of S:CONTRIB. As jvvg said, "[t]he most important part of the Wiki is following instructions".
Frankly, I like the idea of removing verbose from the S:CONTRIB or anything not directly on the point; it may help a bit with user acceptance. But remember - acceptance is their part, not ours.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 07:52, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I think our current acceptance system is fine.. If someone doesn't take the time to fully read S:CONTRIB, how do we know they would take the time to proofread their edits (and other articles)? @Makethebrainhappy, I think the age requirement is a nice idea, but I know plenty of people that probably wouldn't meet that age requirement, but have much better grammar than some teenagers LOL‎

Pianogirl84 (talk | contribs) 13:30, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I feel like part of the argument boils down to: Do we want more unprofessional content? On one hand, rejected Scratchers have good ideas on content to add. A lot of the time, they don't. Do we want to accept the extra unprofessional content for the few good edits? Yes, not fully reading S:CONTRIB is a good sign that they won't be taking the time to edit professionally. Personally, I wish there was some place where we could store ideas we get from account requests on what to add to the wiki...
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:44, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

My thoughts -- I think that we should make the account process less hard and accept several more people. Don't have it THAT hard, but still make it rather hard. I pretty much agree with everything jvvg said, and don't think we should open it to everyone, but DO think we should make it a bit easier.

Another thing is the blog. It is pretty much decided it should be shut down. However I am against that.

Hey I do agree with scmb1. It is not very nice to make fun of Scratchers. I think that some things such as grammar, helping new scratchers, lowercase "I", little things like that shouldn't be kept. I think maybe just really funny and bad things (even just things submitted on purpose to make an appearance) should be kept. But edited to be nicer, and maybe ask the Scratcher before putting it on there. And be nicer with the hashtags. After doing this I think Scratchers would be just fine with appearing on there! I almost just want to make an account to post something funny LOL.

With all my thoughts EDIT: Is the blog even registered on Scratch?
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 15:28, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Update Scratchblocks plugin

Will the plugin be updated?
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 17:46, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Oh yeah.
I already updated the plugin, but didn't ping any ST members about it.
That reminds me, I also forgot about putting it on the international wiki's. :p
Here's the link if you're curious: le link
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:06, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes! I'm working on it. :)
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 19:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Testing the updated plugin, I'm getting errors for if blocks. For instance, this set of blocks renders with red 'if' blocks:
define calculate
if <(operator) = [addition]>
set [answer v] to ((value1) + (value2))
end
if <(operator) = [round]>
set [answer v] to (round (value))
end
...

when this sprite clicked //calculator equivalent to the "=" button
calculate
Did something change about the 'if' syntax?
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 15:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
You need to add "then" after the conditional expression for the block to work.
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 17:04, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
On the forums, yes.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 17:06, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Ah, ok. That's gonna mean that some of the scripts on the wiki will need to be fixed after the update.
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 17:36, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Huh? The Scratch Wiki refused to load for a few seconds. Then, the Scratchblocks disappeared. Is the plugin updating?
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 17:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Never mind, I got the answer that Scratchblocks was updating.
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 17:48, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Scmb1: If you give me a moment, I might find a quick fix to this solution that allows both "if <> then" and "if <>"
@Chibi-Matoran: Maybe.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi all- I'm updating the blocks right now. It's a big update, so you may see some weird things (or the site may go out) for a few minutes while I'm updating. Smaller updates will be easier after this
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 17:55, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Test:
<>
({move (1) steps}::ring grey)
Yes! (I also made this edit to get the blocks to update, and the italics to disappear.)

Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 18:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Test:
when green flag clicked :: sensing
EDIT: YES!!!
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 19:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Citing sources

I just noticed that Help:Welcome/3 says the following.

Though it is not required, it is highly recommended to provide more information than that in a footnote. Here is a more complete footnote:
<ref>Name of author, [http://scratch.mit.edu/article_name.html "Title of article"], ''Scratch Website'', date</ref>

Help:Welcome/3

However, in practice, this is never really done and I don't think I've seen any page on this wiki cite a source like that. So do you think we should actually start referencing in full, or should we just remove that part?
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 05:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I think this wiki isn't to formal, so we don't have to formalize the references too. Also, I think it would just discourage people from referencing at all. We could remove it from the page, but it might not hurt if we just kept it there.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 06:24, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
I think we need to make that whole page less confusing. I generally only do small things, since I don't really understand citations that well.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 17:10, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

New FPC

The new FPC is TrollMario. Thanks!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 20:23, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes Done
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 22:41, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Protect

Could a sysop please protect my most recent archive? Thanks.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 00:48, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes Done
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:17, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

API

The API stopped again. Help?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 06:46, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

It suddenly started again...?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 07:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
That's weird.. (I was asleep when you posted that, so I probably won't help much XD)
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions
Out of curiosity, which API?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:46, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
idk
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 17:50, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Protect template

Yes Done
Since we have a {{delete}} template, should also have a protect template? Basically, you put it on a page where you think it needs protecting (or an archive if you want it protected) and you get to choose what type of protection you want (autoconfirmed, ewplus, sysop, etc.) When we see it, we will remove the template and protect the page for you. Just a random suggestion :P
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:27, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

No support - you can just ask an admin to protect it
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 07:30, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
You could just ask an admin to delete a page as well - so why do we have the delete template?
I thought about this suggestion a bit and I think having it would require an admin to edit the target page - which usually isn't desired especially if it is under the user namespace.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 07:42, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday: August

Hello everyone! It's that special time of year again! Not, it's not December. It's WW!

Last month we picked the Custom Blocks article.

What should we pick for this month? Just remember, the article should have:

- Good content

- Have a few images

- Follow Wiki standards
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

How about Sixty-Second Rule? It would help explain why it's in place, so it would help the ST! :D
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 17:08, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
What about List of Block Workarounds? Although there's a lot of red/undefined blocks in it, I'm trying to fix those right now.. *hint hint* someone help me xD
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 18:03, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Finished fixing the page
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 18:39, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Really nice catch! Thank you two for fixing the page. :)
Back on topic, Sixty-Second Rule seems nice, but it's not very important.
List of Block Workarounds is intriguing. I do see one problem with it. Some of the scripts are such that you can't see the entire thing. (distance to sprite) is a good example on how to fix it.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:09, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
How about the Pen article?
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 18:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
@Ernie No problem, also, what do you mean?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 15:13, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
I tried putting the div width things in one section, and I was able to make the scrolling thing, but some of it is still cut off.. I'm not sure how to fix it, so I didn't save it :/
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 15:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
I suggest Pen Art Examples
Frodewin (talk | contribs) 19:21, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

@pianogirl84: That usually means that either the div is too wide, or there are other scripts "pushing" the width of the box.

Anyways, I will be using the Pen article. It looks great, and is super relevant.

@Frodewin: Oh come on, we just talked about it. ;) Next WW.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:09, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

@Ernie I can't fix that because the comment on one of the scripts is long.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 07:20, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I could try rewording the comments so they're shorter..
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 11:46, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Proposed change to S:CONTRIB

User:KrIsMa/ProposedSContrib I have completed a draft for the changing of S:CONTRIB! I hope that this will make users read it more! What are your suggestions? By the way, anyone can edit that page now!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:53, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Are you using real account requests for your examples (because of the censored username in one)? We should have made-up examples so people are not hurt, like in the bad Scratch Wiki request blog.
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 06:00, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for reviewing those. We told users that we reserved the right for using their request notes without their username. I talked to an admin and he said that as long as we're not making fun of people, it's ok. I'll ask more admins though!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 06:38, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, I updated the page.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 07:13, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Cool, I think it looks really nice! The only things I think you should change are the "Login to your account" part and the tips section towards the end. The login section makes it sound like you need to log in to your wiki account, not your Scratch account, so maybe you could add the word Scratch to the heading? Also, I think some people don't read the tips because they're called tips, and usually the word tips doesn't refer to something you have to read. (Sorry if that sounded really harsh, I didn't mean that in a mean way >_<)
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 12:15, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Oops, I didn't see that anyone could edit the page. Never mind...
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 17:21, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you @Pianogirl84!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:22, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for working on this! I like a lot of the changes you've made to simplify it a bit. Here are some changes that came to mind to me as I read it:
  • Like Chibi-Matoran, I'm concerned about using real examples as "poor request notes", even if it's not framed in a mean way. I think it's okay to have a collection of real good request notes, but I don't want Scratchers to feel like they're being shamed, even if it's not on purpose. If you want to include "poor" examples, I'd suggest making a few up, and making it clear that they are made up so folks don't feel too intimidated to give it a try.
  • It still feels like there's a lot of information. It's ~650 words, which would take the average adult 5 minutes to read-- even longer for many kids, probably. I think if we try really hard, we could reduce it to something like half as long, by removing anything that is redundant (For example, "DO Give specific examples" means about the same thing as "DO NOT be vague").
  • Speaking of the DOs and DO NOTs, often on the main Scratch website we try to stick mostly to DOs, because it's more encouraging. Do you think you could convert most of the necessary DO NOTs to DOs? Like "DO NOT Say you want to translate pages" could be converted to "DO apply to Scratch wikis in other language if you want to write in a language other than English"
Thanks for working on this again! If you disagree with anything I said, I'm totally open to discussion :)
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 16:55, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I never really thought of the negativity of the DO NOTs... Good point :P
@KrlsMa-you're welcome! If you want, I can help make a few fake request notes like scmb1 said.
Pianogirl84's Logo.png Pianogirl84 Talk Contributions 17:07, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── My thoughts about scmb1's post...

  • I agree with the first point, and I think KrIsMa changed them to examples we made up.
  • Regarding the second point, we really need to think about what we're trying to accomplish. At least the way I see it, the point of having the account request system at all is to make sure that users are prepared to contribute to the Wiki. An important part of the Wiki is reading and understanding the rules, and so it makes sense for the criteria to join be based on reading and understanding a set of rules. Remember that Scratch Wiki:New Page Policies (for example) is rather long (and would be difficult to shorten due to all of the various types of articles that could be created), and it is imperative that all users read it. If we make S:CONTRIB too simple, then we run the risk that we will get users who aren't prepared to read the various guideline and documentation pages we have and this will make it much harder to maintain the quality of the articles.
  • I also disagree with the third point. "Do not", while sounding more negative, is also much clearer. For the specific example about translation, people will not read an encouragement to translate at the appropriate Wikis the same way that they will read a message telling them not to request an account here for the sole purpose of translating. In general, encouraging users to do something one way is not the same way as discouraging them from doing it a different way. After processing account requests for several years, I have seen countless requests that don't follow the "Do not" requirements (the most common was originally some variation "I want to help New Scratchers", but that subsided a bit once we added the "do not" line about it). Not explicitly saying that they shouldn't do something means that they probably will say it if they were thinking it.

I hope this makes my position on the issue clearer.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:30, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts! Regarding the second point, I think what I was trying to express is that we should do our best to be concise-- not actually eliminate important information. If we want the applicants to read something that's long and repetitive simply to show that they can, that seems like an unnecessary barrier to entry for otherwise potentially qualified applicants. Perhaps my proposal of reducing it by half was a little dramatic-- but I do think we could reduce it without loosing much of the message. In fact, making it more concise could actually strengthen the message. Regarding my "do not" suggestion-- it's good to hear about your experience. I'm interested to hear what others think about this particular issue. I do feel as though most could be effectively converted to DO. For example, "Rather than just saying that you'd like to help Scratchers, explain specifically what topics you'd like to help with." But perhaps either could work.
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 20:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I also help confirm account requests, and the most common mistake I see is that users aren't specific and are very vague about why they want to contribute. I completely understand your reasoning about changing DO NOTs to DOs, but some of them are quite important as DO NOTs, for emphasis. For an example, if a user is skimming the page (which I would say 1/2 the account requests do) they will probably miss a point saying 'Do try to explain how you will help on the wiki' but they will see it if it strongly says 'DO NOT simply say you want to help; be specific' (I don't think it says that exactly, but that was an example). DO NOTs are simply more noticeable and stand out more than DOs, and because of that, I think we should keep the main important points as DO NOTs. However, perhaps we could write a message at the bottom saying something along the lines of "Please do not take these requirements as belittling or aggressive, they are simply meant to catch your attention due to their imperative importance." (Probably make the wording more child friendly of course).
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  02:34, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Good points! I actually really like your version of 'DO NOT simply say you want to help; be specific' because it points to what they should do rather than simply what they should not do-- which is more constructive and therefore more useful.
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 18:53, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
I edited the S:CONTRIB, and considered everyone's ideas. Is there anything else I should add? :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:17, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

International Scratch Wikis: Statistic-Bot?


MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 18:16, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

@all: I just want to point out that even if you are not very experienced with coding, you can try using the same easy-to-use Java framework that User:InterwikiBot uses. I'm willing to provide help too. :)
@Martin: Good point! It would be nice to see how each wiki is doing.
On that note, remember how earlier we tried to install Extension:HitCounters on the DACH wiki? I'm willing to try again. I also found another extension that is slightly more flexible: Extension:TopTenPages
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:28, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Question

If anyone can answer this, I know alt accounts on this wiki aren't allowed, but what about "public wifi" accounts, where you use them on public wifi?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 15:11, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Why would you need a separate account for that?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:59, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

New FPC

The new FPC is myself, rainbow_waves :)
rainbow_waves (talk | contribs) 12:42, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes Done
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  13:19, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
The front page states that rainbow_waves is the 211th curator, but Mario_Troll has already been given that number.
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 14:12, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Fixed! Thanks :)
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  16:16, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

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